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Posted: 2/19/2010 5:42:57 AM EDT
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I am looking to purchase to my first Garand from CMP. I am looking at there website and I have know clue about the differences in the rifles. I would like to keep it under $800, but do not mind spending a little extra if it is worth it.
Link to CMP store Please let me know which one would be the best to buy. Thanks |
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One of these(both will be the same condition just dif Mfg.):
RM1SAS M1 Garand, SA Service Grade (Springfield) *See below for grade description $595 RM1HRAS M1 Garand, HRA Service Grade (Harrington&Richardson) IMO has the best metal/finish of the two ...other will say the opposite *See below for grade description $595 Or if the budget allows, one of these: RM1SPECIAL M1 Garand, Springfield Special M1 Garand Springfield Armory receiver. New production stock and handguard set with CMP cartouche, a new production barrel and new web sling. Receiver and most other parts are refinished USGI, but some parts may be new manufacture. See photos below for more detail. $995 RM1SASSP** M1 Garand, Service Grade Springfield Special. SA collector grade metal in excellent almost new condition. Walnut stocks and handguards and associated hardware are new manufacture. NOT original SA manufacture. $895 This is the best value IMHO. I will be getting one soon. All of these are pure win. You will be happy with which ever of the 4 you choose. Oh, you wont be able to stop at one so the best plan is to get one of each, of the top 2 (service grades). YMMV |
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i got the service grade springfield from cmp a month ago for $595.00 and was very pleased. its a high ss number 5,880,XXX so if your expecting a WWII number you will be disappointed. but mine is a great shooter. i made a note on my paper work and asked for a newer stock and got one a original SA in very nice condition.
like dog mentions if you can afford the this one RM1SASSP** for 895 do it. i talked to David an amorer there yesterday about a barvarian rural police gun i bought. he said without a doubt that is there best deal. all numbers match other than the new stock. a real jewel. one is also in my future. 
hope that helps. here a couple pics(qualiity not so good) 
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They are not really collector M1's, so buy the nicest one you can afford if how the rifle looks is important to you. The Service Grade rifles meet some minimum grading criteria, but then what you get is completely the luck of the draw. You can luck into a "knock-out" looking rifle, or one that just meets the grading criteria. Further, the Service Grades are usually a mix of parts...both dates and manufacturers. But, the Service Grades are checked for function and will run. If you get one of the Special grades, the rifle will look fantastic.
We got two Service Grades recently and I am well pleased with what came for the money, but both will need some work to make them look "pretty". Neither rifle was all Springfield parts. Neither stock was very nice as compared to some that I have seen others brag about as Service Grade arrivals. One was a 6 digit WWII receiver with issue sights and oprod, which is both neat and a bit unusual for recent CMP arrivals. Really, it all depends on what you can afford to spend and how nice you want it to look now. Bear in mind that there are a number of places that will take your beater M1 and transform it into a beautiful rifle...just as it was when it left the factory 60 years ago. Have fun with your decision. dvo |
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Thanks for the help. I think I have narrowed it down to these two. RM1WRAS for $795 or RM1SASSP for $895 Which one would be the best recommendation? I just took delivery of my SA SG Special (RM1SASSP) yesterday. Very nice rifle for the $895 + $22.95 S&H. My barrel is MW 1 and TE 2. The original park looks very good and all parts are correct for the date of the rifle as far as I can determine right now. |
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What about the collector value of the RM1SASSP vs the RM1SPECIAL ? I don't think either has or will have much collector value because neither is original but, who knows what they might bring when all the Garands finally dry up. 
The RM1SASSP is listed as collector grade metal but the stock is a CMP replacement stock set. I took a chance and bought this one. It is not only collector grade metal but it is correct to boot. I like it so much and it's in such good shape, that I may not shoot it. I have not yet decided. I have two SG rifles, a SA and a HRA that I can use as range rifles. I wasn't interested in the CMP Special because it's only a mixmaster that has been refinished and again, in a CMP replacement stock set. Someone else might feel entirely differently. 
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i got the service grade springfield from cmp a month ago for $595.00 and was very pleased. its a high ss number 5,880,XXX so if your expecting a WWII number you will be disappointed. but mine is a great shooter. i made a note on my paper work and asked for a newer stock and got one a original SA in very nice condition. like dog mentions if you can afford the this one RM1SASSP** for 895 do it. i talked to David an amorer there yesterday about a barvarian rural police gun i bought. he said without a doubt that is there best deal. all numbers match other than the new stock. a real jewel. one is also in my future.
hope that helps. here a couple pics(qualiity not so good) http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/lemanster/GUNS/004-3.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/lemanster/GUNS/005-3.jpg HI lemanster I have a question for you if you do not mind my brother and I are in the process of buying our Dad a M1 Garand from CMP as a gift and it will be a service grade Springfield and we see that you had asked for newer stock should we also do that? Or should we just take what we get. Sorry for all the questions but we are very new to the M1 this will be the first one and we want to make sure we get a good one from them and is there an additional cost and is it worth it thank you sorry to be a pest. Greg & Frank |
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Personally I would take a USGI stock over the Boyds anyday. You may have to do alittle work to them but they are the real deal and have history I've noticed that the Boyd's stocks are about 1/3 less weight than the USGI. I own a SA SG, SA CMP Special, and currently have a SA SG Special on order. My plan will be to put my USGI stock on the SA SG Special, making it somewhat "correct" (I use this term lightly), put the Boyds from the SG Special on the SG and probably give it to my brother. So, he'll get a Service Grade rifle with a new Boyd's walnut stock. Probably a $750 value. I'll then have collector grade metal on a USGI stock. And my CMP Special will be my shooter. What do you think? |
| on the cmp gun the only part guaranteed to be winchester is the reciever, they will all be mix masters so paying extra for a winchester that will be a shooter is false economy. if you buy a winchester and plan to restore it with all correct winchester parts that is a different story |
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CMPs stocks are Boyds Birch wood. Probably why its ligher The CMP stock set on the SA SG Special, RM1SASSP, is walnut. I've read that the sets that CMP uses on the standard SG rifles can be birch but not the SA SG Specials or the CMP Specials, RM1SPECIAL. |
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CMPs stocks are Boyds Birch wood. Probably why its ligher The CMP stock set on the SA SG Special, RM1SASSP, is walnut. I've read that the sets that CMP uses on the standard SG rifles can be birch but not the SA SG Specials or the CMP Specials, RM1SPECIAL. Correct. I have Specials, so the stocks are walnut, not birch. They are lighter. Much lighter... |
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on the cmp gun the only part guaranteed to be winchester is the reciever, they will all be mix masters so paying extra for a winchester that will be a shooter is false economy. if you buy a winchester and plan to restore it with all correct winchester parts that is a different story Well, it's a moot point, as the Winny SG's are SOLD OUT. |
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on the cmp gun the only part guaranteed to be winchester is the reciever, they will all be mix masters so paying extra for a winchester that will be a shooter is false economy. if you buy a winchester and plan to restore it with all correct winchester parts that is a different story Well, it's a moot point, as the Winny SG's are SOLD OUT. Well that didn't take long. I just saved $795.00.
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. Correct. I have Specials, so the stocks are walnut, not birch. They are lighter. Much lighter... I have a Boyds/CMP walnut and it doesnt seem any lighter than my other USGI stocks. I didnt grag them all out to compare but they seem close. Now I have had some USGI walnut that was so oil soaked it seemed heavier. Walnut isnt all the same either, some will be a heavier/denser wood. So I guess what I'm saying is its to broad of a statement to say that all walnut Boyds/CMP stocks are lighter than original USGI stocks |
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on the cmp gun the only part guaranteed to be winchester is the reciever, they will all be mix masters so paying extra for a winchester that will be a shooter is false economy. if you buy a winchester and plan to restore it with all correct winchester parts that is a different story Well, it's a moot point, as the Winny SG's are SOLD OUT. Well that didn't take long. I just saved $795.00.
Get an SA SG Special... or just a SA SG. GET SOMETHING!!!! 
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. Correct. I have Specials, so the stocks are walnut, not birch. They are lighter. Much lighter... I have a Boyds/CMP walnut and it doesnt seem any lighter than my other USGI stocks. I didnt grag them all out to compare but they seem close. Now I have had some USGI walnut that was so oil soaked it seemed heavier. Walnut isnt all the same either, some will be a heavier/denser wood. So I guess what I'm saying is its to broad of a statement to say that all walnut Boyds/CMP stocks are lighter than original USGI stocks Yeah, when my SA SG Special arrives, I'll check it out. It's gotta be oil or density of the wood. The USGI stock is just so much denser. Probably not "farm raised" walnut, etc. Who knows. |
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I am looking to purchase to my first Garand from CMP
Well, since you did say first Garand, I would suggest quickly getting a service grade Winchester while they are available. I wouldn't be at all surprised if this were the last time they were available through CMP. Then you can get a SA for your next Garand.
Before you know it, you'll have one of each... 
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. Correct. I have Specials, so the stocks are walnut, not birch. They are lighter. Much lighter... I have a Boyds/CMP walnut and it doesnt seem any lighter than my other USGI stocks. I didnt grag them all out to compare but they seem close. Now I have had some USGI walnut that was so oil soaked it seemed heavier. Walnut isnt all the same either, some will be a heavier/denser wood. So I guess what I'm saying is its to broad of a statement to say that all walnut Boyds/CMP stocks are lighter than original USGI stocks Yeah, when my SA SG Special arrives, I'll check it out. It's gotta be oil or density of the wood. The USGI stock is just so much denser. Probably not "farm raised" walnut, etc. Who knows. Weights with me standing on scale w/the rifle and then subtracting my weight from the total. SA SG (GI stock) - 9.6 lbs. HRA SG (GI stock) - 10.2 lbs. SA SG Special (new CMP walnut stock) - 10.2 lbs. Each rifles has attached a new web sling also. |
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