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12/17/2008 12:34:11 PM EDT
Hey guys.  I have a M1 Garand that I bought a few weeks ago.  Finally got to shoot it the other day and had two things happen.  The first happened only twice out of 8 enbloc clips.  The first round would not fire.  I would pull the trigger and the round would not fire.  I would then cycle the gun manually and the unfired round would eject.  The next 7 were fine.  Like I said it only happened twice out of 64 rounds...but it was the first round both times.  When looking at the primer, the firing pin made only a minor ding in the two rounds that weren't fired...it was nowhere as deep as the indents in the fired primers.  Any idea what could be causing this?

Second issue, might not even be one.  Is it normal to push in the loaded clip, then have to push the oprod forward with a decent amount of assistance to load the first round?  Everyone always talks about garand thumb like it automatically slams shut once the clip is inserted, but I find I have to push it shut.  Is that normal?

Thanks
12/17/2008 12:50:10 PM EDT
[#1]
The hammer was not being cocked and followed the bolt. Hence the small ding.
12/17/2008 12:50:11 PM EDT
[#2]
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Hey guys.  I have a M1 Garand that I bought a few weeks ago.  Finally got to shoot it the other day and had two things happen.  The first happened only twice out of 8 enbloc clips.  The first round would not fire.  I would pull the trigger and the round would not fire.  I would then cycle the gun manually and the unfired round would eject.  The next 7 were fine.  Like I said it only happened twice out of 64 rounds...but it was the first round both times.  When looking at the primer, the firing pin made only a minor ding in the two rounds that weren't fired...it was nowhere as deep as the indents in the fired primers.  Any idea what could be causing this?
See your second issue as it is related. When you let the op rod go sometimes it will not go fully into battery. You can give the back of the handle a bump to fully lock the bolt. Make sure you never ride the op rod down, it must fly home hard like it would when fired.

Second issue, might not even be one.  Is it normal to push in the loaded clip, then have to push the oprod forward with a decent amount of assistance to load the first round?  Everyone always talks about garand thumb like it automatically slams shut once the clip is inserted, but I find I have to push it shut.  Is that normal?
If you re-use clips they can loose some tension in time. If you have never experienced M1 thumb it is not fun. With a well used clip the bolt can come down when a clip is inserted. It is completely normal to have to bump the handle, especially if your clip is new and tight.

Thanks


12/17/2008 12:51:47 PM EDT
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The hammer was not being cocked and followed the bolt. Hence the small ding.


The small ding is from the inertia from the spring loaded firing pin when you chamber a round.
12/17/2008 1:00:42 PM EDT
[#4]
If you haven't replaced the oprod spring, you probably should.  Sounds like the bolt might not be rolling fully into battery when you chamber the first round.  Make sure you let it fly.
12/17/2008 1:39:10 PM EDT
[#5]
Thanks for the help guys.  I guess I've have to mess around with it more.  Some times I have to hit the oprod 3 times for it to fully load the first round.  Just was seeing if that was normal.  I guess what I'll do is give a a good smack shut.  The ammo I was using was the Greek HXP loaded in clips.  So I'm assuming the new clips made closing the bolt more difficult.
12/17/2008 1:58:17 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Quoted:
The hammer was not being cocked and followed the bolt. Hence the small ding.


The small ding is from the inertia from the spring loaded firing pin when you chamber a round.


Nope, no spring in a garand bolt. It is free floating firing pin
12/17/2008 2:37:22 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
The hammer was not being cocked and followed the bolt. Hence the small ding.


The small ding is from the inertia from the spring loaded firing pin when you chamber a round.


Nope, no spring in a garand bolt. It is free floating firing pin


I misspoke, should have said non spring loaded pin.
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