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4/1/2007 6:16:28 PM EDT
whats the deal with no s#i have one my uncle gave me that has no numbers??? no it was filed off
4/1/2007 6:20:05 PM EDT
[#1]
pics?  Are there other markings on the receiver and just no SN's, or are there no markings at all?
4/1/2007 6:22:08 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
whats the deal with no s#i have one my uncle gave me that has no numbers??? no it was filed off




They were filed off?  Sound illegal.
4/1/2007 6:46:43 PM EDT
[#3]
the stock has been changed to a sporter stock.but there is no marking at all.i spoke to my dealer and he said i think in 1962 they didnt need them .they did not want to waste the time ,because it was for the milatery.if im not miss taken i have one with springfield and other info but no s#
4/1/2007 7:04:45 PM EDT
[#4]
oh i forgot to say he had it on his rifle and shotgun lincese in new yor city
4/1/2007 7:14:05 PM EDT
[#5]
if it was a sporterized military issue 1903, it should still have the SN on it.  All the sporterized (bastardized) 03's and 17's i've seen still had the SNs on them, even made before 62.  it'd actually take more effort to remove the SN than to leave it on during the sporterizing process
4/1/2007 7:16:34 PM EDT
[#6]
what i mean all they did was change the stock and maybe the rear sight (i dont know to much about them)but i do know the stock has been changed
4/1/2007 7:23:39 PM EDT
[#7]
Not enough info. How do you know it's an M1903? How do you know it's a Springfield Armory? How do you know what caliber it's chambered in? What are the markings on the reciever ring?

And most importantly, is english your second language?
4/1/2007 7:29:44 PM EDT
[#8]
it could 1903a3 i guess there are no marking at all .i have shot it
4/1/2007 7:30:38 PM EDT
[#9]
I give up.
4/1/2007 7:54:36 PM EDT
[#10]
how do you add pic?
4/1/2007 7:59:25 PM EDT
[#11]
It very well could be a Sedgely Springfield.  "Sidewalk" Sedgely was known to hide or matte over serial numbers of his sporterized serial numbers (back when it wasn't so illegal) for cosmetic purposes, so that people wouldn't know where the rifles originated from, as well as to obscure the fact if they were high or low serial numbered receivers.
4/1/2007 8:11:16 PM EDT
[#12]
http://gallery.photo.net/photo/5797976-md.jpg
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4/1/2007 8:12:03 PM EDT
[#13]
pic
pic 2pic 3pic 4
4/1/2007 8:13:48 PM EDT
[#14]
Have you removed the wood to check for an added serial # elsewhere





4/1/2007 8:15:12 PM EDT
[#15]
no not yet
4/2/2007 5:31:22 AM EDT
[#16]
that is some crazy bastardized black magic right there!  looks like the whole band where the SN and manufacturer once was has been ground off and polished smooth.  the rear sight looks almost like what you find on a krag!
4/2/2007 7:22:59 AM EDT
[#17]
i removed the stock and there are no markings at all
4/2/2007 10:11:36 AM EDT
[#18]

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the rear sight looks almost like what you find on a krag!


It's a Williams peep sight. Commonly used on sporterized 03's and match conditioned rifles as well. The reciever needs to be drilled and tapped to secure the sight.

I think the Sedgely theory is probably correct. Someone didn't want the stigma of a low number serial number.
4/2/2007 11:02:32 AM EDT
[#19]
no offense, but i HATE sporterized rifles.  to me it's the ruining of a perfectly good historical firearm for no real benefit, aside from some weight reduction.
4/3/2007 6:12:59 AM EDT
[#20]
The receiver could also have been a 'Luchbox Special' before the serial number was rolled.....
4/3/2007 7:21:03 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
whats the deal with no s#i have one my uncle gave me that has no numbers??? no it was filed off


This is a fairly cut an dried sporterization. That the serial # is missing ( removed ) is incedental. Someone milled it off. There are plenty of other non serialized fireams made before the 1960's out there too.

This is a chop job with target sights.

Worth what you can get for it.


JR
4/3/2007 8:16:33 AM EDT
[#22]
Does it have a star-gauged barrel?  I've seen rifles in configurations just like yours, turned out to be NRA Match rifles.  Every one of them had a star-gauged barrel.  

EDIT to add:  Post pics here and you'll get pretty good info from folks who really know 03's.-  www.jouster.com/cgi-bin/03/03config.pl
4/3/2007 1:50:01 PM EDT
[#23]
Prior to 1968, serial #s were not required on firearms. They were there basically for bookkeeping and asset tracking purposes.

It was very common to buy a surplus military bolt rifle and sporterize it. It was also common for people to remove all those ugly military markings when they were sporterizing their rifles. I bet if the receiver ring was miked and compared to a .mil config rifle, there would be a difference.

Remove the rifle from the stock and compare to this picture from ViShooters website. It's a rough way to see low# vs high # (no guarantee for accuracy).
4/3/2007 4:01:16 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
no offense, but i HATE sporterized rifles.  to me it's the ruining of a perfectly good historical firearm for no real benefit, aside from some weight reduction.


It was a very common practice a long time ago when those type of rifles weren't so scarce like today.  People even competed with them and I do believe the NRA had a hipower category for this type of rifle.  My great grandpa had one very similar.  Sometimes you ought come down off that high horse you ride.  There's real people down here.
4/3/2007 4:18:24 PM EDT
[#25]
not a high horse, just a statement of personal preference.
4/3/2007 4:29:38 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
the rear sight looks almost like what you find on a krag!


It's a Williams peep sight. Commonly used on sporterized 03's and match conditioned rifles as well. The reciever needs to be drilled and tapped to secure the sight.

I think the Sedgely theory is probably correct. Someone didn't want the stigma of a low number serial number.
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actually, NT,  you may need to look at some more Krag's...

and it is most likely a Lyman sight, model 48 something (S maybe?)
4/3/2007 4:43:19 PM EDT
[#27]
Its an afterwar 20's commercial made 03 Sporter made from piles of parts bought from the manufacture.
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