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Posted: 4/19/2006 6:09:13 PM EDT
| I just finished watching the Mythbusters where they fired guns in the air to see if the falling bullets could be fatal. Pretty interesting, but I'm trying to figure out when the M1 Garand became an assault rifle? I guess because they're in CA. It just depresses me because they try so hard to get everything else right and then refer to the M1 as an assault rifle. |
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Hey, in its time the Garand was every bit the assault rifle. Just like the 1853 Enfield was during the civil war. The term just hadn't been invented yet. Our nitpicking ways of saying "Oh, no , this is a battle rifle cuz it shoots a .30 caliber." and all the assault rifle/ battle rifle crap is more the result of bored gun people putting too much thought into minor crap. I don't care what the Mythbusters crew want to call em, at least you can tell they like messing with firearms and don't try to make them evil or anything. |
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That guy Jamie claims to have been in the special forces...you know the dude with the beard and the crazy hat haha I don't know if its true, but the show said he had been in a narrated part I saw one time. Hence he knows a little about weapons. Anyone think its bs? |
lol!!
Possibly, but can't find anything.
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I thought they loved steel and hard wood in San Francisco 
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that got to be the funnies thing i've seen. So what did they do fire into the air and then run around like a couple ferry's and hope the other didn't get hit 
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OOOh yeah. Shes a smoker. They have some issues with the scientific method. And don't even get me started about the other side kicks.... Sulu and Fuckov. Still, they do not seem to go out of their way to demonize firearms. In fact It seees they have increased the # of gun related Myths since the first season. Must be because of positive feedback. They need a fact checker like crazy though. Love that redhead. JR |
HAHAHAHAH THATS AWESOME! Ima send that to wifey and see if she takes the hint. |
I'm pretty sure that was just a joke mentioned in passing on one of the episodes...not serious. I think I recall that comment. |
That is only true in highschool physics. In reality, there's wind resistance, which limits the terminal velocity. Though, my guess as to a bullet's terminal velocity would be something like 300-400 FPS... definitely enough to badly hurt if not kill someone. That's my guess. |
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When did Jamie say he was a tabbed SF operator? Never heard him say that yet! Conclusion was that: a. bullets fired into the sky do kill people b. However bullets fired straight up (ie 90 degrees) will return to earth at its terminal velocity which is supposedly not that fast - in the 150 ft/sec range. "Non lethal" in their view. (However I would not want to test that out). So it was Busted, Plausible, and Confirmed... |
Yeah, but that's because they're propelled at that speed, their terminal velocity, due to wind resistance would be much lower than a lead bullet because paintballs are less dense than lead.
I don't get it, they're saying it'll only kill someone if it's fired at an angle? Well no shit! If you fire at 45 degrees, of course it's going to come down with a lot of force, but I find it hard to believe that a bullet's terminal velocity is 150FPS. If the terminal velocity of lead (which, I have to assume is a little more dense than a sky diver) is only 150FPS (about 100MPH). Last I checked, sky divers fall that fast. A lead bullet would have a much higher terminal velocity! |
| Now just because it runs out of momentum does that mean it would also lose it's rotational energy? What I'm getting at is the rifle bullet spins pretty friggen fast out a rifled barrel. If it continued it's spin on descent it would point straight down and it's terminal velocity would be increased because it's more streamlined...... no? |
Nah, I think the heaviest end would be pointed down. By the time it hit the peak, I doubt it'd be spinning much at all. I asked my skydiver friend how fast people can fall when sky diving. He said he's hit 240MPH, and he knows a guy who hit 285MPH (head first of course), but even when they're on their belly, they still fall around 120MPH. Though, at 15,000ft, air is about half as dense, but then again, he said it's not TOO big of a difference between the speed you fall higher up and the speed you fall lower down. I just don't believe 150FPS (100MPH), that's nonsense. He said he'd test it out... though, I wish I would have seen the Mythbusters episode. |
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The bullet should still be spinning and still pointing point-forward. Firing at ANY oblique angle (less than 90º) is what we do at the range, though we do tend to fire at very low angles. Say you fire at 45º (which is not necessarily the angle that will get you the most range). The bullet will slow down through air resistance somewhat, but it will still be going pretty darn fast when it either a) hits the ground or b) hits something other than the ground. Angles higher than 45º will travel less linear distance before they fall to the ground, and expend more and more of their initial energy overcoming gravity as the angle increases. I still don't see a streamlined, rotating bullet fired at near 90º encountering enough air resistance to slow it down to "terminal velocity." I need a physics teacher to draw pictures of that for me to understand it. |
A bullet is very aerodyamic when it's traveling point first, but bullets fall sideways. They confirmed this on mythbusters--both by observation in a vertical wind tunnel and by finding oblong bullet holes in the dirt when they fired them straight up. Their wind tunnel test was legit--the bullets tested max out at around 150 fps when falling through the air. |
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Did everyone notice the editing seemed like much more than eight rounds were fired yet there was only one clip ejection ping at the very end? I only saw it once, and was grumpy from the "assault" reference. Throughout all of the episodes, it is obvious they have neglected engineering and science for entertainment. It's more interesting than most other TV, sadly. |
he's never claimed any military service AFAIK on the other hand, people have been spreading rumors, and myths that he was a SEAL since day one of the show |
     
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