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| I'm sure the pending submissions will set until all the lawsuits are done, at which time they will be closed out without approval. However, there is some degree of inequity if in fact the approved applications are let stand and other applications submitted complete and accurate by the advertised deadline are not processed. That is if the unapproved pending applicants argue that it was within the purview of the AG to forbear the tax, they made a valid submission, and others received a benefit they were denied. It will be interesting to see how the whole situation plays out. |
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Originally Posted By 3-gun: I agree, if you have an approved form 1 it’s done, but I don’t think they can or will approve what is pending. But who knows about the fatf. I’m sure they will try again but the problem is the long paper trail they have from prior approvals. I believe the Judge called the ATF attempts to backtrack "arbitrary and capricious." 
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Originally Posted By a390st: I'm sure the pending submissions will set until all the lawsuits are done, at which time they will be closed out without approval. However, there is some degree of inequity if in fact the approved applications are let stand and other applications submitted complete and accurate by the advertised deadline are not processed. That is if the unapproved pending applicants argue that it was within the purview of the AG to forbear the tax, they made a valid submission, and others received a benefit they were denied. It will be interesting to see how the whole situation plays out. Interesting, haven’t thought about it that way. But you’re correct about the AJ having the authority to waive it. It may be better for them to go ahead and approve them while they decide what to do next. |
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Originally Posted By a390st: I'm sure the pending submissions will set until all the lawsuits are done, at which time they will be closed out without approval. However, there is some degree of inequity if in fact the approved applications are let stand and other applications submitted complete and accurate by the advertised deadline are not processed. That is if the unapproved pending applicants argue that it was within the purview of the AG to forbear the tax, they made a valid submission, and others received a benefit they were denied. It will be interesting to see how the whole situation plays out. Kinda what I have been saying, more or less. |
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Originally Posted By a390st: I'm sure the pending submissions will set until all the lawsuits are done, at which time they will be closed out without approval. However, there is some degree of inequity if in fact the approved applications are let stand and other applications submitted complete and accurate by the advertised deadline are not processed. That is if the unapproved pending applicants argue that it was within the purview of the AG to forbear the tax, they made a valid submission, and others received a benefit they were denied. It will be interesting to see how the whole situation plays out. Why would they approve pending forms for a rule the courts essentially knocked down? “Hey..here is your free approved form for a rule the courts determined is invalid.” Or whatever they decided. Edit: the forms were approved only if the final rule was approved. The final rule was not approved. The pending applications will sit while the rest of the folks with the “approved pending final rule” do nothing. There isn’t a judge who is going to make the ATF convert the approved tax free forms to full SBR approvals. Pending or not, the final rule isn’t approved or removed so it’s a giant nothing burger at this point. |
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Originally Posted By durtychemist: the forms were approved only if the final rule was approved. The final rule was not approved. There isn’t a judge who is going to make the ATF convert the approved tax free forms to full SBR approvals That's not how any of this works. The "approved" forms are just that - approved. They are officially title 2 SBRs. The conditions were on the tax exempt part, not the SBR part. There is no "conversion" needed. Tax exempt forms are processed all the time, there is nothing unique about that. ETA: quote doesn't appear to work, maybe it will later as it shows in preview. |
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Has the ATF appealed the decision in Mock v Garland? They still list the factoring criteria on their website. Seems to me that they must be appealing, otherwise they should remove the rule and update their site to include guidance to people who registered their FreeBR. I agree with those here that say it's registered regardless of the rule and thus legal to put a proper stock or VFG on, but I think the ATF would owe a duty to citizens to also inform them that per the court's ruling, the firearm is not considered to be governed by Title 2 if configured without a stock or VFG. I think that logically that must be the case even though conventional wisdom is that a SBR cannot return to being a pistol but could return to being a Title 1 rifle due to the fact that if left unchanged with a brace, it was never made as a rifle, SBR or otherwise. caveat: I'm not a lawyer, YMMV, and I intended to actually use the tax exempt pistol braced registrations as SBRs, so this is purely a thought exercise for me. |
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Originally Posted By crazyelece: That's not how any of this works. The "approved" forms are just that - approved. They are officially title 2 SBRs. The conditions were on the tax exempt part, not the SBR part. There is no "conversion" needed. Tax exempt forms are processed all the time, there is nothing unique about that. ETA: quote doesn't appear to work, maybe it will later as it shows in preview. Umm...if they were never a short barreled rifle to begin with they would never have been registered. The conditions were directly tied to the 'SBR part' and the amnesty grace period was for an opportunity to register them. |
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Originally Posted By durtychemist: So, uhh, how are those FreeBRs working out now? Rule vacated, right? Still an SBR because registered or nothing burger because no stamp was given? Got a signed form 1, that’s all I need. Shot the scorpion Tuesday, will probably shoot the Colt this week |
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Originally Posted By durtychemist: Umm...if they were never a short barreled rifle to begin with they would never have been registered. The conditions were directly tied to the 'SBR part' and the amnesty grace period was for an opportunity to register them. Originally Posted By durtychemist: Originally Posted By crazyelece: That's not how any of this works. The "approved" forms are just that - approved. They are officially title 2 SBRs. The conditions were on the tax exempt part, not the SBR part. There is no "conversion" needed. Tax exempt forms are processed all the time, there is nothing unique about that. ETA: quote doesn't appear to work, maybe it will later as it shows in preview. Umm...if they were never a short barreled rifle to begin with they would never have been registered. The conditions were directly tied to the 'SBR part' and the amnesty grace period was for an opportunity to register them. And yet, all the approved NFA SBR's, remain approved NFA SBR's. By mutual agreement of ATF and registrant that this serial numbered item, with this barrel length, is an SBR, and is made, or remade, or intended - to be a shoulder fired weapon. Application approved, and firearm now classified as a legal NFA registered SBR. USAG, by law, has authority to wave the tax fee - so it stays waved. and those who did so, are now free to put an armbrace back on it, and call it a pistol at their discretion, and cross state-lines etc, as well as put a stock on it and run it as an SBR. More importantly, they also can shoulder fire it - have video record and witnesses showing them shoulder firing it, and say they intended to should fire it - even with a brace, and not be subject to prosecution of having made or remade an SBR subject to evidence of willful intended shoulder firing it. None of the judicial rullings have overturned NFA SBR law - that's still on the books and fairly clearly written. What they did say, in front of wounded vet plaintiffs who needed armbraces to help them fire their pistols as pistols with arm support, was that posession of a <16" firearm called a pistol with an armbrace, is not a crime. They didn't say "and having that on there with intent to shoulder fire it, is also now exempt from NFA law too" I wouldn't advise taking a lot of video or otherwise leaving a digital trail of using and intended to use an arm-brace firearm as a shoulder-fired primary intent, firearm. That same judge will convict you, if ATF can make the case that your intent was to make or remake the gun to be a shoulder fired gun. Not that there are going to be many prosecutions on any of that in any way or anyone regardless... for now. |
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Originally Posted By durtychemist: Umm...if they were never a short barreled rifle to begin with they would never have been registered. The conditions were directly tied to the 'SBR part' and the amnesty grace period was for an opportunity to register them. Originally Posted By durtychemist: Originally Posted By crazyelece: That's not how any of this works. The "approved" forms are just that - approved. They are officially title 2 SBRs. The conditions were on the tax exempt part, not the SBR part. There is no "conversion" needed. Tax exempt forms are processed all the time, there is nothing unique about that. ETA: quote doesn't appear to work, maybe it will later as it shows in preview. Umm...if they were never a short barreled rifle to begin with they would never have been registered. The conditions were directly tied to the 'SBR part' and the amnesty grace period was for an opportunity to register them. Ummm...you realize this isn't GD right? For the umpteenth time, the conditions were for the "tax free" part. So if it wasn't clear even after you quoted me - "That's not how any of this works" |
| A technical question. Approved forms with ATF signatures but personal info blurred out wad Posted on reddit. How many of these were then photoshopped or altered in camva to go around the atf? |
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Originally Posted By durtychemist: Umm...if they were never a short barreled rifle to begin with they would never have been registered. The conditions were directly tied to the 'SBR part' and the amnesty grace period was for an opportunity to register them. I believe that the conditions on the approved Form 1s refer to the conditions under which they approved it without collecting the $200 tax, not conditions on which the firearm is regulated. My take is that you have an approved Form 1 and can treat it like an SBR including installing a proper stock and a VFG. Given the injunction, and assuming the ruling it upheld, I expect you could just forget that it was registered as a NFA item and continue treating it as a pistol (CCW, travel across state lines, etc) because the courts have said it isn't subject to the NFA and you never actually made it into a "rifle" and it isn't made "from a rifle". IMO, best of both worlds. |
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Originally Posted By O1gagt: Mine are all still pending, so I asked for a status update. Waiting for the canned generic response. Please post an update if you get a response. |
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Originally Posted By Rope-A-Dope: Please post an update if you get a response. Originally Posted By Rope-A-Dope: Originally Posted By O1gagt: Mine are all still pending, so I asked for a status update. Waiting for the canned generic response. Please post an update if you get a response. They have consistently said that they are not processing applications pending resolution of the legal cases. Things are going to remain in a holding pattern, according to everything that's come out of the call line to date. They have the legal authority to process the remaining applications, but are choosing not to because the conditions under which they were accepted aren't in place at the moment. |
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You have a signed form 1. That’s it ,you’re done. You didn’t pay a tax, you don’t get a stamp. If uncle bob leaves you his complete Machine Gun collection and all his sbr’s and suppressors, you don’t get a single stamp either. It’s over. |
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Originally Posted By 3-gun: You have a signed form 1. That’s it ,you’re done. You didn’t pay a tax, you don’t get a stamp. If uncle bob leaves you his complete Machine Gun collection and all his sbr’s and suppressors, you don’t get a single stamp either. It’s over. It’s interesting how fixated people are on the physical tax stamp but not the approved form 1. |
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Originally Posted By joe_sun: It’s interesting how fixated people are on the physical tax stamp but not the approved form 1. Originally Posted By joe_sun: Originally Posted By 3-gun: You have a signed form 1. That’s it ,you’re done. You didn’t pay a tax, you don’t get a stamp. If uncle bob leaves you his complete Machine Gun collection and all his sbr’s and suppressors, you don’t get a single stamp either. It’s over. It’s interesting how fixated people are on the physical tax stamp but not the approved form 1. This whole conversation over the last 2 years has been a ride. With the stamp-topic being one aspect of the total Hamster'sGoneWild-show this topic has been. Where "but you don't have a stamp!" is considered to have some kind of meaning at all. The whole point of stamps was in 1924 there's no computer data-base to cross check, so it's something hard to counterfeit to prove legitimacy. Today, in the digital-age, the stamp is completely irrelevant - and only useful as a language word to indicate registration and licensed (easier to just say "stamp"). The methodology to indicate legitimacy is now done via data-base check, or if lazy, just a glance reference of the approved paperwork (which you keep a copy of shurnk down and tucked in your pistol grip - that nobody anywhere actually asks for). If you have the stamp, and there's a data-base error, that's nice. But today, there is no data-base error in a digitally applied for "stamp". And if there is - your hardcopy of your approval is more useful than an artistic stamp is going to be. Like I said, the last 2 years has just been painful to watch. With a whole lot of bad advise and bullying even; when we could have all been helping each other taking advantage of an opportunity. Instead, it turned into an absurd STRIKE!-Solidarity! that meant and achieved absolutely nothing. My favorite hamster-wheel logic item still has to be: Those who paid the $200 fee to the ATF were super-OK patriots, but those who filled out the same paperwork but didn't give the ATF $200, were basically traitors. Watching the collective self mind-fuck on that was just amazing. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Like I said, the last 2 years has just been painful to watch. With a whole lot of bad advise and bullying even; when we could have all been helping each other taking advantage of an opportunity. Instead, it turned into an absurd STRIKE!-Solidarity! that meant and achieved absolutely nothing. My favorite hamster-wheel logic item still has to be: Those who paid the $200 fee to the ATF were super-OK patriots, but those who filled out the same paperwork but didn't give the ATF $200, were basically traitors. Watching the collective self mind-fuck on that was just amazing. I agree with you. It's sad how much people believe the crap on the internet. While I didn't like the new rule and am glad it was overturned, I registered all my AR pistols and saved some money. Some of them still have braces. The good thing is I can put a stock on them and have an SBR, or leave the brace and have an AR pistol. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: This whole conversation over the last 2 years has been a ride. With the stamp-topic being one aspect of the total Hamster'sGoneWild-show this topic has been. Where "but you don't have a stamp!" is considered to have some kind of meaning at all. The whole point of stamps was in 1924 there's no computer data-base to cross check, so it's something hard to counterfeit to prove legitimacy. Today, in the digital-age, the stamp is completely irrelevant - and only useful as a language word to indicate registration and licensed (easier to just say "stamp"). The methodology to indicate legitimacy is now done via data-base check, or if lazy, just a glance reference of the approved paperwork (which you keep a copy of shurnk down and tucked in your pistol grip - that nobody anywhere actually asks for). If you have the stamp, and there's a data-base error, that's nice. But today, there is no data-base error in a digitally applied for "stamp". And if there is - your hardcopy of your approval is more useful than an artistic stamp is going to be. Like I said, the last 2 years has just been painful to watch. With a whole lot of bad advise and bullying even; when we could have all been helping each other taking advantage of an opportunity. Instead, it turned into an absurd STRIKE!-Solidarity! that meant and achieved absolutely nothing. My favorite hamster-wheel logic item still has to be: Those who paid the $200 fee to the ATF were super-OK patriots, but those who filled out the same paperwork but didn't give the ATF $200, were basically traitors. Watching the collective self mind-fuck on that was just amazing. I had a pistol lower with an SBA 3 on it with the intention to form 1 it but then the whole free registration opened up I saw my opportunity to save 200 in taxes AND not have an engraved SBR. I sent my paperwork in fast, that first week IIRC. Why not? I rolled my own prints, already had the fingerprint cards, heck I think I already had the photo ready to go. Then I was called a cuck, a boot licker and a bitch. That I was willingly bending over and asking the gov to rape me... because I didn't PAY the tax? I have a bunch of NFA items, I used to have an FFL 03, the ATF knows who I am. I was already going to form 1 it but I decided to take advantage and I thought that would be applauded. Then the whole, it's a trap and you didn't get a stamp thing started and people were doing exactly what you said and were bragging that they paid their $200.00 unlike the cucks that didn't. Seriously it's so freaking weird. I wonder if there were people in Boston were bragging they paid the tax on their tea. |
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Originally Posted By joe_sun: I had a pistol lower with an SBA 3 on it with the intention to form 1 it but then the whole free registration opened up I saw my opportunity to save 200 in taxes AND not have an engraved SBR. I sent my paperwork in fast, that first week IIRC. Why not? I rolled my own prints, already had the fingerprint cards, heck I think I already had the photo ready to go. Then I was called a cuck, a boot licker and a bitch. That I was willingly bending over and asking the gov to rape me... because I didn't PAY the tax? I have a bunch of NFA items, I used to have an FFL 03, the ATF knows who I am. I was already going to form 1 it but I decided to take advantage and I thought that would be applauded. Then the whole, it's a trap and you didn't get a stamp thing started and people were doing exactly what you said and were bragging that they paid their $200.00 unlike the cucks that didn't. Seriously it's so freaking weird. I wonder if there were people in Boston were bragging they paid the tax on their tea. Meant to quote this and failed |
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Originally Posted By durtychemist: You don't care about the condition being the pending outcome of the overturned ruling? Originally Posted By durtychemist: Originally Posted By Firestarter123: I have my approved Form 1’s and that’s all I care about. You don't care about the condition being the pending outcome of the overturned ruling? It says "Approved With Conditions", which are: "Pursuant to ATF Final Rule 2021R-08F" The license is APPROVED. It doesn't say "VALID with Conditions". The approval event was per the setting at that time. It was a distinct approval event, now complete. Now that it's approved, the status of 2021R-08 going forward is not relevant, as that approval is now done. That condition explains how it was able to be approved without fee and without engraving. And now it's approved. Edit to add: ATF doesn't recant approved NFA items when they make rule changes (e.g. some markings on the barrel were once considered acceptable, vs all being on the receiver. Now they must be all on the receiver.) Those prior approvals were approved as complaint at the time of approval, and now done. So they remain valid. |
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Originally Posted By durtychemist: You don't care about the condition being the pending outcome of the overturned ruling? edit: Seems I'm a much slower typer  It doesn't say that thou, it says Approved pursuant to ATF final rule 2021R-08F From the dictionary Pursuant is used mainly in a legal sense to say something's in accordance with a particular law, ruling, or request. So it's approved because of ATF final rule 2021R-08F and because of that rule we don't have to follow the engraving so it's marking it as exempt from #1 paying the $200.00 tax and #2 Engraving the firearm. The ATF has not reached out to anyone in an attempt to rescind the approval, I'm not sure they even can do that, even if they do, big deal, just put the brace back on. |
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Originally Posted By durtychemist: You don't care about the condition being the pending outcome of the overturned ruling? Originally Posted By durtychemist: Originally Posted By Firestarter123: I have my approved Form 1’s and that’s all I care about. You don't care about the condition being the pending outcome of the overturned ruling? Nope because that’s not what that section means. If it was we’d have already been notified that our forms had been voided once the ruling was overturned. |
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I used silencer shop to help with paperwork for the amnesty in 2023. One of them didn't get approved because we used an o where a zero should have been in the serial number. We resubmitted via paper forms and have been in limbo since. I contacted silencer shop and they told me that everything is on hold, as we've all discovered. They told me I could purchase an ATF stamp on their website and they would resubmit for me. Here's my question - if I submit for a SBR tax stamp, Will I need to get the receiver engraved? Thanks |
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Originally Posted By fp45liberator:I contacted silencer shop and they told me that everything is on hold, as we've all discovered. They told me I could purchase an ATF stamp on their website and they would resubmit for me. Here's my question - if I submit for a SBR tax stamp, Will I need to get the receiver engraved? Yes, because it is a new Form 1 outside of the amnesty period… |
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I did a free SBR for a 9mm based AR. I never took the brace off, never intended to take it off and have no plans to take it off in the future. Doing the form 1 was just to cover the bases. |
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Originally Posted By Screwball: Yes, because it is a new Form 1 outside of the amnesty period… Originally Posted By Screwball: Originally Posted By fp45liberator:I contacted silencer shop and they told me that everything is on hold, as we've all discovered. They told me I could purchase an ATF stamp on their website and they would resubmit for me. Here's my question - if I submit for a SBR tax stamp, Will I need to get the receiver engraved? Yes, because it is a new Form 1 outside of the amnesty period… pretty much this. there was a window where Pursuant to was valid. there was a clause that extensions can still be Pursuant to, past that dead line. by the judiciary nullify'ing the ATF ruling, it's no longer live and cant be followed for new registrations. Basically, if you didn't get approved already, when APPROVALs were Pursuant to, than there is now no official document for ongoing applications to be approved, Pursuant to. which is another way of saying it's not happening, and you are probably going to have to go conventional route now. or just abandon the plan and run it armbrace indefinately (just in case). |
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Originally Posted By d16man: A technical question. Approved forms with ATF signatures but personal info blurred out wad Posted on reddit. How many of these were then photoshopped or altered in camva to go around the atf? I dont think any of that matters. Even when we get a "real stamp" non of us travel around with the original stamp in our possession. All we use is a photo copy which could alao be fake off the internet. The paper thar we bring to the range to prove out SBR is real is kind of a joke. Sure it might make a LEO leave you alone or a range master that wants to check paperwork. But my understanding is that if there was a real issue like a SD shooting or a crime committed the serial number would be run through the ATF office. Their records will confirm that it is a SBR legally. I will admit the the ATF did have a serial number error on one of my SBRs which is very concerning. If the SBR serial number was run would my rifle have come back as an unregistered SBR? Possibly. I will bet you that if a investigating officer called the ATF and that ATF agent on the phone said "nope, its not registered with us". It wouldnt matter how official even the original stamp was. LEO would cart you away. It would probably work out fine in court but thT would still be a very long expensive situation. In my case i have an SBR that has been an SBR for 10 years and i have the traditional paper stamp and all that stuff. Serial number on the SBR lower matches the stamp paperwork exactly. I filled out a form 20 with the proper serial number in place. I got a email from the ATF that the provided serial number did not match their records and please check my info. I sent a photo of the serial number on the lower and a photo of the original stamp showing that is was all correct. I also checked that my form 20 was correct and it was. In all fairness ATF promptly emailed back that the situation was correct and no further action was required on my part. But it made me wonder what the issue was on their end. Did their data base have the wrong serial number in? Or did they just key in the wrong serial number when reading my form 20? The serial number does and "O and 0" next to eachother that could be confusing. Errors do happen and supposedly they fixed it. But errors like that could result in jail time until i prove my case. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: This whole conversation over the last 2 years has been a ride. With the stamp-topic being one aspect of the total Hamster'sGoneWild-show this topic has been. Where "but you don't have a stamp!" is considered to have some kind of meaning at all. The whole point of stamps was in 1924 there's no computer data-base to cross check, so it's something hard to counterfeit to prove legitimacy. Today, in the digital-age, the stamp is completely irrelevant - and only useful as a language word to indicate registration and licensed (easier to just say "stamp"). The methodology to indicate legitimacy is now done via data-base check, or if lazy, just a glance reference of the approved paperwork (which you keep a copy of shurnk down and tucked in your pistol grip - that nobody anywhere actually asks for). If you have the stamp, and there's a data-base error, that's nice. But today, there is no data-base error in a digitally applied for "stamp". And if there is - your hardcopy of your approval is more useful than an artistic stamp is going to be. Like I said, the last 2 years has just been painful to watch. With a whole lot of bad advise and bullying even; when we could have all been helping each other taking advantage of an opportunity. Instead, it turned into an absurd STRIKE!-Solidarity! that meant and achieved absolutely nothing. My favorite hamster-wheel logic item still has to be: Those who paid the $200 fee to the ATF were super-OK patriots, but those who filled out the same paperwork but didn't give the ATF $200, were basically traitors. Watching the collective self mind-fuck on that was just amazing. I agree with your post. I started this thread to personally get clarification on this topic. I hoped that if my thinking was right it might provide the opertunity for others in the community to get and SBR that they might not normaly have. Its really pretty simple. But i do understand some of the paranoia about this being a "registration" and the government knowing what we all have. In my case all my lowers were purchased through a FFL. I know that supposedly those records aren't in some big data base. But i would wager that if the government has it all or could have it in a data base in a heart beat. I can see that if i had lowers that were purchased face to face with no real record of sale it might be nice to keep them off the recods list. But i dont have that and I dont really worry about that. Big brother already knows everything about me. Privacy is kind of a false idea anymore with cell phones and AI. |
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Originally Posted By durtychemist: You don't care about the condition being the pending outcome of the overturned ruling? I had this same question. It is confusing. But the post below yours explains it well. The weapon was aproved and is now a SBR. It was approved and added to the list as a registed SBR. I belive the exception is in regard to why no $200 tax was collected. The tax that is normaly collected is waved in this case due to the pending law change. As i read it this is the only difference. The legal proccess of registering a rifle as a SBR is the same in this case. The ATF was willing to complete this proccess without collecting the $200 tax fee becouse of the pending law. I am not try to say the ATF is "generous and gracious" for giving back rights that they stole from us in the first place. I am just trying to be clear on the matter as i understand it. |
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Originally Posted By dana: .... Privacy is kind of a false idea anymore with cell phones and AI. That. Right there. That. The only people who have been visited by the ATF in the last years on firearm legality questions - were the people who thought they were "below the radar" with 80% kits. I miss the 1980's too - but they are so very much over. I guarantee you Google and your phone know what you have. And with that, so too does .gov. And with regards to "registration", all gun sale records end up in the ATF database. Because all FFL records upon shop close - go directly to the ATF in bulk. No store lasts forever. The days of cardboard boxes in the back of Warehouse 13 requiring a dedicated employee to go find and sift through 3 weeks from now - are so very much long gone. (and with all that, if AI doesn't terrify the shit out of you - it should; 1984 requiring dedicated staff to listen to you if you are interesting enough, is going to be viewed as a utopionistic alter-universe compared to where this going - and going fast). |
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I did one of my pistols with the amnesty.I went to a lcoal shop that deals with the nfa paperwork so i dont screw up and did the e fingerprints.They totally helped me out for a fee and well worth it to me since it was my first form1. Yeh some gave me shit about doing the free stamp with the now your admitting to a felony,your now in a registry,your giving in,etc.but all of them owned guns and had no problem filling out 4473 forms or had nfa stuff too and online talking about their guns and how they follow the gun laws???? As for the conditions as stated it was in place to get the stamp without paying the 200 bucks.luckily i got mine days before it ended took me 6 months.Many watch too many you tube guys who are trying to make name for themselves who will say how its wrong to do the amnesty and so on.If you go look you can read the actual stuff on the atf site. But everyone has their own opinion and like i have said on this subject do what you please i could care less what you choose to do. |
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Originally Posted By dana: I had this same question. It is confusing. But the post below yours explains it well. The weapon was aproved and is now a SBR. It was approved and added to the list as a registed SBR. I belive the exception is in regard to why no $200 tax was collected. The tax that is normaly collected is waved in this case due to the pending law change. As i read it this is the only difference. The legal proccess of registering a rifle as a SBR is the same in this case. The ATF was willing to complete this proccess without collecting the $200 tax fee becouse of the pending law. I am not try to say the ATF is "generous and gracious" for giving back rights that they stole from us in the first place. I am just trying to be clear on the matter as i understand it. Interesting interpretation of what the condition was. I never considered this. |
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I doubt if it goes forward, but I think some sort of closure on the pending forms would be helpful. Would love to see this sbr nonsense go away but I’m doubtful that will happen. |
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