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Posted: 2/24/2016 5:57:21 PM EDT
| When I have paper filed before I have added them to my assignment of property page and then mailed them in, no different on efile? Just add to assignment of property and submit? |
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When I have paper filed before I have added them to my assignment of property page and then mailed them in, no different on efile? Just add to assignment of property and submit? you can add the receiver (ie. AR-15 spikes tactical SN# *******) to your assignment of property page and then upload your trust (IN PDF FORM)... make sure you don't list it in the property page by your trust's name and with your SBR model number as it will only become that after you manufacture it with stamp in hand |
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you can add the receiver (ie. AR-15 spikes tactical SN# *******) to your assignment of property page and then upload your trust (IN PDF FORM)... make sure you don't list it in the property page by your trust's name and with your SBR model number as it will only become that after you manufacture it with stamp in hand Quoted:
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When I have paper filed before I have added them to my assignment of property page and then mailed them in, no different on efile? Just add to assignment of property and submit? you can add the receiver (ie. AR-15 spikes tactical SN# *******) to your assignment of property page and then upload your trust (IN PDF FORM)... make sure you don't list it in the property page by your trust's name and with your SBR model number as it will only become that after you manufacture it with stamp in hand sbr model number?, don't you just use the SN# given NVM sorry just looked at my trust understand what you meant. |
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I've heard of people using the model number on their F-1 that was used by the original manufacturer of the receiver, but I always assign a new model number to each of my receivers (based on original configuration). You assign a new one when you add it to the trust? Or you use a new one on the Form 1? |
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When the Trust "manufactures" a SBR, the Trust assigns a model number with the SBR prefix corresponding to the setup, two M4 Commandos will have the same model number.
the serial number is still there from when (spikes/stag/etc) manufactured the receiver originally as is (spikes/stag/etc)'s model number for the original receiver, but after the stamp is received, there is a new Trust Name/Location/Model Number engraving that matches the F1. |
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When the Trust "manufactures" a SBR, the Trust assigns a model number with the SBR prefix corresponding to the setup, two M4 Commandos will have the same model number. the serial number is still there from when (spikes/stag/etc) manufactured the receiver originally as is (spikes/stag/etc)'s model number for the original receiver, but after the stamp is received, there is a new Trust Name/Location/Model Number engraving that matches the F1. ^^ that really sounds like one of those lines of BS some uninformed LGS or gun trust lawyer spouted off ^^ That may be how you're doing it, but that's not how it works in general. First, the trust doesn't "manufacturer" anything. It "makes" it...and there are many differences between a manufacturer and a maker. Second, there's no reason to assign a Model with an SBR prefix. I actually have a Spike's lower that came with an serial number that had a SBR prefix, and it means absolutely nothing different than the Spike's lowers I have with an NSL prefix. Third, there's no new model after the stamp is received. If you did unnecessarily provide one on the F1, you have to also engrave it. What is supposed to happen is you file the F1 listing your trust as applicant. You provide the original manufacturer's name and location in 4a. You provide the model number off the lower in 4d and the serial number off the lower in 4g. The ATF allows you to adopt the existing makings, including SN, model and caliber. You only have to add your trust name and the location the firearm is made (which may or may not match the city, state in 3b). Caliber would also be engraved if the lower is marked "multi" and the barrel doesn't have the caliber conspicuously placed. Now, you're free to come up with a new model of you want...its just not the standard/accepted way to do it, and just adds additional markings to be engraved. ATF 2013-3 clearly spells out the ability to adopt the existing model. Zero need for you to come up with this made-up SBR-prefix model. |
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^^ that really sounds like one of those lines of BS some uninformed LGS or gun trust lawyer spouted off ^^ That may be how you're doing it, but that's not how it works in general. First, the trust doesn't "manufacturer" anything. It "makes" it...and there are many differences between a manufacturer and a maker. Second, there's no reason to assign a Model with an SBR prefix. I actually have a Spike's lower that came with an serial number that had a SBR prefix, and it means absolutely nothing different than the Spike's lowers I have with an NSL prefix. Third, there's no new model after the stamp is received. If you did unnecessarily provide one on the F1, you have to also engrave it. What is supposed to happen is you file the F1 listing your trust as applicant. You provide the original manufacturer's name and location in 4a. You provide the model number off the lower in 4d and the serial number off the lower in 4g. The ATF allows you to adopt the existing makings, including SN, model and caliber. You only have to add your trust name and the location the firearm is made (which may or may not match the city, state in 3b). Caliber would also be engraved if the lower is marked "multi" and the barrel doesn't have the caliber conspicuously placed. Now, you're free to come up with a new model of you want...its just not the standard/accepted way to do it, and just adds additional markings to be engraved. ATF 2013-3 clearly spells out the ability to adopt the existing model. Zero need for you to come up with this made-up SBR-prefix model. OK, so the Trust MAKES it, I apologize for using the wrong word there. I never said there was a reason to use SBR in the prefix, I merely described that as the way I choose to organize the SBR rifles held by the trust While it may not be the standard way to do it, it most certainly is the accepted way to do it as I have personally seen with my own eyes over 15 F1s done in the manner which I described, none of which required an adjustment to the originally submitted F1 There have been instances where the caliber listed on the lower is "multi" and the F1 is rejected because "multi" was used on the form. the ATF wants to see a specific caliber on each F1 exactly why are you being so damn hostile in the Tech threads? |
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OK, so the Trust MAKES it, I apologize for using the wrong word there. I never said there was a reason to use SBR in the prefix, I merely described that as the way I choose to organize the SBR rifles held by the trust While it may not be the standard way to do it, it most certainly is the accepted way to do it as I have personally seen with my own eyes over 15 F1s done in the manner which I described, none of which required an adjustment to the originally submitted F1 There have been instances where the caliber listed on the lower is "multi" and the F1 is rejected because "multi" was used on the form. the ATF wants to see a specific caliber on each F1 exactly why are you being so damn hostile in the Tech threads? No hostility intended. Don't confuse presenting the facts as being hostile. The OP asked a question. You proceeded to answer that question in a way different from how 99.9% of the people would do it. So, I was simply asking additional questions to get to the bottom of it. It may be the way you do things, but it's absolutely not "the accepted way" to do it, and I want the OP to understand that point. You're free to continue to do it how we you wish, but be clear that's it simply the way you've chosen to do it for whatever reason. Nobody said one thing about using "multi" on a Form 1...we know that's grounds for a Disapproval. The only mention of "multi" was regarding the requirement to engrave caliber. The whole "SBR model number" discussion is so far off the normal beaten path I've never actually seen it discussed before. Ever. It just needed to be made clear that it was your chosen method of doing things...and not some kind of requirement. The ATF clearly says to submit the original model as engraved on the lower, and that's the only model number that needs to exist on the firearm. Anything else is allowable, but unnecessary. |
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No hostility intended. Don't confuse presenting the facts as being hostile. The OP asked a question. You proceeded to answer that question in a way different from how 99.9% of the people would do it. So, I was simply asking additional questions to get to the bottom of it. It may be the way you do things, but it's absolutely not "the accepted way" to do it, and I want the OP to understand that point. You're free to continue to do it how we you wish, but be clear that's it simply the way you've chosen to do it for whatever reason. Nobody said one thing about using "multi" on a Form 1...we know that's grounds for a Disapproval. The only mention of "multi" was regarding the requirement to engrave caliber. The whole "SBR model number" discussion is so far off the normal beaten path I've never actually seen it discussed before. Ever. It just needed to be made clear that it was your chosen method of doing things...and not some kind of requirement. The ATF clearly says to submit the original model as engraved on the lower, and that's the only model number that needs to exist on the firearm. Anything else is allowable, but unnecessary. Quoted:
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OK, so the Trust MAKES it, I apologize for using the wrong word there. I never said there was a reason to use SBR in the prefix, I merely described that as the way I choose to organize the SBR rifles held by the trust While it may not be the standard way to do it, it most certainly is the accepted way to do it as I have personally seen with my own eyes over 15 F1s done in the manner which I described, none of which required an adjustment to the originally submitted F1 There have been instances where the caliber listed on the lower is "multi" and the F1 is rejected because "multi" was used on the form. the ATF wants to see a specific caliber on each F1 exactly why are you being so damn hostile in the Tech threads? No hostility intended. Don't confuse presenting the facts as being hostile. The OP asked a question. You proceeded to answer that question in a way different from how 99.9% of the people would do it. So, I was simply asking additional questions to get to the bottom of it. It may be the way you do things, but it's absolutely not "the accepted way" to do it, and I want the OP to understand that point. You're free to continue to do it how we you wish, but be clear that's it simply the way you've chosen to do it for whatever reason. Nobody said one thing about using "multi" on a Form 1...we know that's grounds for a Disapproval. The only mention of "multi" was regarding the requirement to engrave caliber. The whole "SBR model number" discussion is so far off the normal beaten path I've never actually seen it discussed before. Ever. It just needed to be made clear that it was your chosen method of doing things...and not some kind of requirement. The ATF clearly says to submit the original model as engraved on the lower, and that's the only model number that needs to exist on the firearm. Anything else is allowable, but unnecessary. it is the accepted way as I've seen more than 20 stamps, therefore it is clearly ACCEPTED. are you confusing accepted with preferred? but as I've said, I've seen far more stamps where the trust has listed it's own model number than I have trusts using the model number from the original manufacturer of the receiver. I've made it VERY clear that is my method, I've never said it was required for approval. unsubscribed due to your "only one way to do things" tone.. (unless you've personally been involved with more than 25 F1 and F4 transfers, you really dont have much to add to any of my methods of doing things anyway) |
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it is the accepted way as I've seen more than 20 stamps, therefore it is clearly ACCEPTED. are you confusing accepted with preferred? but as I've said, I've seen far more stamps where the trust has listed it's own model number than I have trusts using the model number from the original manufacturer of the receiver. Quoted:
it is the accepted way as I've seen more than 20 stamps, therefore it is clearly ACCEPTED. are you confusing accepted with preferred? but as I've said, I've seen far more stamps where the trust has listed it's own model number than I have trusts using the model number from the original manufacturer of the receiver. No confusion on accepted vs preferred. But I'll ask if you're confused about the difference in the and an...and you once again said it was the accepted way. Quoted:
unsubscribed due to your "only one way to do things" tone.. (unless you've personally been involved with more than 25 F1 and F4 transfers, you really dont have much to add to any of my methods of doing things anyway) that made me chuckle...so I'll say Thanks, cause I needed it. Might be the funniest thing posted in any of the Class 3 sections this year. 
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unsubscribed due to your "only one way to do things" tone.. (unless you've personally been involved with more than 25 F1 and F4 transfers, you really dont have much to add to any of my methods of doing things anyway) 25 huh? wow, that is a lot, if you did them in 1 day. I have done thousands and thousands over the past 30 years. As BW says, it is legal to do, and ATF will accept the form, but that is NOT the industry accepted way of doing it, and for a variety of reasons, I would not recommend anyone do it that way. |
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I have personally seen with my own eyes over 15 F1s done in the manner which I described, none of which required an adjustment to the originally submitted F1 it is the accepted way as I've seen more than 20 stamps, therefore it is clearly ACCEPTED. unsubscribed due to your "only one way to do things" tone.. (unless you've personally been involved with more than 25 F1 and F4 transfers, you really dont have much to add to any of my methods of doing things anyway) 15, 20, 25. 30, 35, 40 are up next. |
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