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Posted: 11/10/2015 5:13:04 PM EDT
| I put in my paperwork for an SBR, and paid, and now I'm having second thoughts on the whole deal. Namely in regards to overall length. I put in the overall length for the pistol, as I didn't have a stock for it. Should I have done that differently? |
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I put in my paperwork for an SBR, and paid, and now I'm having second thoughts on the whole deal. Namely in regards to overall length. I put in the overall length for the pistol, as I didn't have a stock for it. Should I have done that differently? Yes. A pistol doesn't require a Form 1. Submitting specs for a firearm that doesn't fit the regulations makes no sense. You have to submit the specs for the firearm you will make, which will include a stock. |
| Should have been what the OAL would be with the stock attached and unfolded/fully extended. Most have to search around for the measurement if it's a factory gun that also comes as a SBR such as the CZ Scorpion Evo. I believe you should easily be able to find out from Kriss or another member here what the OAL is with the stock if you plan to use the factory Kriss stock. |
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Technically you shouldn't have to change anything. The OAL is for the shortest length you would be firing it in as a rifle. All you really have to do is say you intend to shoot it without the stock by shouldering the back nub, and that would make that the correct OAL. Remember, it's all about intent with the ATF.
Also having a shorter OAL on the form than actually on the gun isn't a big deal from what I gather, only having a longer one is. FWIW I have 19 listed on mine since the shortest "stock" I could find that I would ever consider using is only 3", so to me that is the shortest length I might ever have it in. Even if I don't shoot it that way and just set it up to check it out, the OAL would be a factor. |
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The OAL is for the shortest length you would be firing it in as a rifle. Quoted:
The OAL is for the shortest length you would be firing it in as a rifle. No, it's not. OAL is measured with any stock fully extended. Logic would say it's the shortest config, but that's how the ATF works. Plus, in his case, not having a stock means it's not a rifle, so your definition doesn't fit. Quoted:
Also having a shorter OAL on the form than actually on the gun isn't a big deal from what I gather, only having a longer one is. Pure internet/LGS BS. There's no difference in being 13" or 11" if the form says 12". The whole "you can go longer, but not shorter" has no statute/regulation to back it up. |
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No, it's not. OAL is measured with any stock fully extended. Logic would say it's the shortest config, but that's how the ATF works. Plus, in his case, not having a stock means it's not a rifle, so your definition doesn't fit. Pure internet/LGS BS. There's no difference in being 13" or 11" if the form says 12". The whole "you can go longer, but not shorter" has no statute/regulation to back it up. Quoted:
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The OAL is for the shortest length you would be firing it in as a rifle. No, it's not. OAL is measured with any stock fully extended. Logic would say it's the shortest config, but that's how the ATF works. Plus, in his case, not having a stock means it's not a rifle, so your definition doesn't fit. Quoted:
Also having a shorter OAL on the form than actually on the gun isn't a big deal from what I gather, only having a longer one is. Pure internet/LGS BS. There's no difference in being 13" or 11" if the form says 12". The whole "you can go longer, but not shorter" has no statute/regulation to back it up. ...nor is there statute/regulation codifying the opposite. |
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