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Posted: 7/23/2015 11:07:35 AM EDT
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So I searched and couldn't get a firm answer. I'm wanting to Cerakote my SBR, Im guessing I need to wait for the stamp before I do this if I send all the parts to complete a sbr. but if that's the case how do I send it off as a nfa item?
I'm thinking I'll send everything off but the barrel now, to get camo'd then when I get the stamp I'll send my barrel off. I don't have it yet and when I get it I'm gonna store it else where. So I can't be accessed of intent, which is a flipping joke. |
| Worry not about "intent" as there is no such thing in federal firearms law. You can intend to build anything you want, there's no crime there. "Constructive Possession" however is a real thing, so don't posers or have under your control all the parts that can only be assembled into an unregistered SBR. Pistol recco is sage advice. |
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Is there a specific pattern that you are trying to get?
If not, you can send the upper and lower to one shop and the barrel to a different one if you didn't want to wait. Or you could even send the upper and lower together and the barrel separately to the same shop. As long as the thing isn't assembled, then it isn't considered an SBR |
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Is there a specific pattern that you are trying to get? If not, you can send the upper and lower to one shop and the barrel to a different one if you didn't want to wait. Or you could even send the upper and lower together and the barrel separately to the same shop. As long as the thing isn't assembled, then it isn't considered an SBR That's the whole point. It absolutely does not need to be assembled to be an SBR. No FFL is going to take an unregistered SBR for work, assembled or disassembled. |
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That's the whole point. It absolutely does not need to be assembled to be an SBR. No FFL is going to take an unregistered SBR for work, assembled or disassembled. Quoted:
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Is there a specific pattern that you are trying to get? If not, you can send the upper and lower to one shop and the barrel to a different one if you didn't want to wait. Or you could even send the upper and lower together and the barrel separately to the same shop. As long as the thing isn't assembled, then it isn't considered an SBR That's the whole point. It absolutely does not need to be assembled to be an SBR. No FFL is going to take an unregistered SBR for work, assembled or disassembled. Could send the assembled upper and assembled lower to 2 different shops without issue. Or send the assembled upper to one shop, and once it comes back, send the lower to the same shop |
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If the shop dong the work is an SOT 7, or whatever, then it should not matter. It would make no difference because it would be illegal in totality regardless of who the recipient might be or their level of license. You cannot ship a complete, disassembled, unregistered SBR at all, anywhere. An SOT cannot and would not accept an unregistered NFA firearm for any type of work. If they received such a thing -even as two shipments putting them in possession of the complete firearm- you would likely get an angry phone call for being stupid and putting them at risk. They may even call ATF just to protect themselves. EDIT: This precisely why most of us build pistols when possible while awaiting an approval of the Form 1. It allows you to legally have a complete gun minus the buttstock. Barring that, if you have the lower, you must NOT have either the buttstock or the short barrel without that approved Form 1. |
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It would make no difference because it would be illegal in totality regardless of who the recipient might be or their level of license. You cannot ship a complete, disassembled, unregistered SBR at all, anywhere. An SOT cannot and would not accept an unregistered NFA firearm for any type of work. If they received such a thing -even as two shipments putting them in possession of the complete firearm- you would likely get an angry phone call for being stupid and putting them at risk. They may even call ATF just to protect themselves. EDIT: This precisely why most of us build pistols when possible while awaiting an approval of the Form 1. It allows you to legally have a complete gun minus the buttstock. Barring that, if you have the lower, you must NOT have either the buttstock or the short barrel without that approved Form 1. Quoted:
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If the shop dong the work is an SOT 7, or whatever, then it should not matter. It would make no difference because it would be illegal in totality regardless of who the recipient might be or their level of license. You cannot ship a complete, disassembled, unregistered SBR at all, anywhere. An SOT cannot and would not accept an unregistered NFA firearm for any type of work. If they received such a thing -even as two shipments putting them in possession of the complete firearm- you would likely get an angry phone call for being stupid and putting them at risk. They may even call ATF just to protect themselves. EDIT: This precisely why most of us build pistols when possible while awaiting an approval of the Form 1. It allows you to legally have a complete gun minus the buttstock. Barring that, if you have the lower, you must NOT have either the buttstock or the short barrel without that approved Form 1. Technically I can ship the short barreled upper to someone without issue and I can ship the SBR lower to someone without issue. I just can't ship them to the same person. |
I want the whole SBR done, I don't have a Butt Stock yet or the barrel. I'm not sure when the barrel will be done, it's a Lilja that's gonna be Nitrided. So I'm just hoping stamp comes first  So I'll just wait for they cerakote work, it's just the way the ball bounces.
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Technically I can ship the short barreled upper to someone without issue and I can ship the SBR lower to someone without issue. I just can't ship them to the same person. Quoted:
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If the shop dong the work is an SOT 7, or whatever, then it should not matter. It would make no difference because it would be illegal in totality regardless of who the recipient might be or their level of license. You cannot ship a complete, disassembled, unregistered SBR at all, anywhere. An SOT cannot and would not accept an unregistered NFA firearm for any type of work. If they received such a thing -even as two shipments putting them in possession of the complete firearm- you would likely get an angry phone call for being stupid and putting them at risk. They may even call ATF just to protect themselves. EDIT: This precisely why most of us build pistols when possible while awaiting an approval of the Form 1. It allows you to legally have a complete gun minus the buttstock. Barring that, if you have the lower, you must NOT have either the buttstock or the short barrel without that approved Form 1. Technically I can ship the short barreled upper to someone without issue and I can ship the SBR lower to someone without issue. I just can't ship them to the same person. Correct, but you do not want to possess these parts yourself either. Per SCOTUS in U.S. V Thompson Center, if the aggregate of parts can only be assembled into a firearm of an illegal configuration, then the aggregate of parts is the same as that assembled firearm. This is one form of Constructive Possession. If you can assemble either a legally configured firearm or an illegally configured firearm from the aggregate, as is the case with the Thompson Center Contender kit, then the aggregate of parts is not illegal itself and would have to actually be assembled in the illegal configuration for a criminal violation to occur. |
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