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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Trust Name (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/2/2014 4:54:21 AM EDT
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Since you have to put the entire trust name on a lower, what are the problems with creating a shorter name when creating the trust. Instead of: [Last name] Revocable Living Trust I just use: [Last name] Trust I would use this on the paperwork for the trust and then use this on the engraving. Just want to see if anyone has any experience or advise when doing this.
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"LastName NFA Trust" is mine and it has worked out well. I have another that is "FirstName LastName Revocable Living Trust" and it is a PITA since it is so long so I got a different one. Same thing here, except my other one also had my middle initial. And it started with "The" in all the paperwork... |
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Mine is Last Name Trust. For the guys who are using RLT instead of Revocable Living Trust, have you been receiving recent approvals? For the last several years, ATF was denying if they were using the abbreviation. They're denying if the trust spelled it out but you put RLT on the application. You should be able to name your trust "Fred" if you so choose. Shorter the better. |
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Mine is Last Name Trust. For the guys who are using RLT instead of Revocable Living Trust, have you been receiving recent approvals? For the last several years, ATF was denying if they were using the abbreviation. This is my first submission so I will find out but my attorney had said he done something like 300-400 nfa trusts so I would think it would be fine. |
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I'm the jackass who created a trust before I realized I wanted an SBR and knew about the engraving REQ. Mine is 42 letters.  So just copy the trust and change the name. Have it notarized. Bam, new trust with fewer letters. Nothing against having more than one trust. |
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I'm the jackass who created a trust before I realized I wanted an SBR and knew about the engraving REQ. Mine is 42 letters. Mine might be worse. I created mine for the sole purpose of NFA items. Due to me not fully understanding the implications, I had it notarized and mailed off before I realized the fact it said this trust shall be known as the "Lastname Living Trust, dated this 26th day of July, 2013". I submitted as simply "Lastname Living Trust". To top it off, there's a clause in my trust that prevents the name from being changed, to protect future trustees. My first two paper forms were approved, but my next two had error letters sent. I already had an Amendment drafted and notarized to "clarify" the name was simply Lastname Living Trust (which is actually how the shorter Certification of Trust showed it. I uploaded the Amendment to all five Pending EForms...but the first two were Disapproved anyway. I explained the situation, the Section Chief looked over the forms, trust and amendment, and went back and approved them. The next three were approved the first pass. So...lesson to all. Make sure it's a short, simple name. Then, use the full trust name on the application. |
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So just to clarify, it appears the trust does not even need to say "trust". Is that correct? Furthermore, what would prevent you from just forming a trust called "Colt Defense" and then just putting your city and state on the lower? Don't actually know. I would like to think as long as you had the trust with a line that said "this trust shall be known as....", you could name it what you wanted. What if your trust said "this trust shall be known as Home Town, NC", and you only engraved one line? 
Even better...since the city, state is simply where you make the firearm and doesn't have to be your home address, what if you lived in the same state (not sure of the legality of building one out of state) and traveled over to the city engraved on the firearm for final assembly? 
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So just copy the trust and change the name. Have it notarized. Bam, new trust with fewer letters. Nothing against having more than one trust. Quoted:
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I'm the jackass who created a trust before I realized I wanted an SBR and knew about the engraving REQ. Mine is 42 letters. So just copy the trust and change the name. Have it notarized. Bam, new trust with fewer letters. Nothing against having more than one trust. Excellent suggestion - and I did so yesterday! 
It is now the "In God We Trust". Will look much better engraved.
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My trust is through a dealer who had it drawn up by a local attorney. I questioned him on the name of the trust / length of the name (Full Name Revocable Living Trust I) and he said that was the way it had to be.
I naively agreed... Now that I'm several stamps in, including a couple SBR's, I realize I should have insisted on a shorter name. I also should have copied the trust and changed the name prior to my SBRs so I wouldn't have such a long name to engrave. The OCD in me wants everything engraved the same. Maybe next time... |
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If I name my trust "Blah Blah City Arsenal Trust" and I make the manufacturers name on an 80% lower "Blah Blah City Arsenal Trust, Blah Blah City, State" Will the manufacturers marking suffice for the trust marking? I'm naturally cheap and only want to pay for one engraving.
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Quoted: Question; If I name my trust "Blah Blah City Arsenal Trust" and I make the manufacturers name on an 80% lower "Blah Blah City Arsenal Trust, Blah Blah City, State" Will the manufacturers marking suffice for the trust marking? I'm naturally cheap and only want to pay for one engraving. |
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...but you'll need to make sure your serial number conforms to NFA requirements and is engraved properly as to character height... To help save you some time...when you choose to SN, make sure it has at least one numeral. It can be all numbers if you want, or a combination of alphanumeric, but it cannot be all letters like a name. Everything has to be a minimum if .003" deep, while the SN has an additional requirement of a minimum of 1/16" in height. |
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Mine is "FMML NFA Trust" I have 2 middle names, so it's first, mid mid, last. No need to put "NFA" trust in there....but since my hometown name is so long, in 2 line engraving it doesn't really matter much. The trust name is still short than the city/state. As a maker (not a manufacturer), you engrave the city, state where it's made. Doesn't have anything to do with your hometown. If you happen to live in Winchestertonfieldville, and the next town over is Seattle, just get Seattle engraved and cross the city limit before attaching the upper to the lower for the first time.
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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Trust Name (Page 1 of 2)
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