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Posted: 5/19/2014 10:41:44 AM EDT
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I took my GSG to a shop to have it engraved with the name of my trust. 2 months later when he is done, yes I had no idea it would take so long, he engraved the plastic lower that holds the trigger parts. Nice job but unless I am wrong that is not acceptable to the ATF. Anyone have any thoughts on how it would be? What a waste of $75 and two trips to Tampa. 
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Might as well not have it engraved, that is not the "firearm" in ATF's eyes. Take it back to that guy and have them re do it in the reciever channel. If he doesnt comply, I would demand money back and take your business to someone who is competent in NFA law. I didn't think that mattered. From what I remember, it was technically ok to have something like your short barrel engraved on an AR, but you would just have to engrave every barrel you wanted to use. Obviously not optimal, but it may be ok. |
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Quoted: I didn't think that mattered. From what I remember, it was technically ok to have something like your short barrel engraved on an AR, but you would just have to engrave every barrel you wanted to use. Obviously not optimal, but it may be ok. Quoted: Quoted: Might as well not have it engraved, that is not the "firearm" in ATF's eyes. Take it back to that guy and have them re do it in the reciever channel. If he doesnt comply, I would demand money back and take your business to someone who is competent in NFA law. I didn't think that mattered. From what I remember, it was technically ok to have something like your short barrel engraved on an AR, but you would just have to engrave every barrel you wanted to use. Obviously not optimal, but it may be ok. Needs to be on the reciever.
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Needs to be on the reciever. Incorrect. The serial number must be on the receiver. All other required markings can be on the "frame, receiver, or barrel". See 27 CFR 479.102 |
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Quoted: Incorrect. The serial number must be on the receiver. All other required markings can be on the "frame, receiver, or barrel". See 27 CFR 479.102 Quoted: Quoted: Needs to be on the reciever. Incorrect. The serial number must be on the receiver. All other required markings can be on the "frame, receiver, or barrel". See 27 CFR 479.102 at least your engraver didn't make your lower look like a damn trophy. my ar lower engraving is HORRIBLE, and i doubt it's .003. im going to just use an etecher and do it my damn self. these engravers take FOREVER and don't know what they are doing unless it's ident or something. mine was in person dropoff and a detailed explanation of what I wanted, and then they charged me double. im still sick about it.
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Quoted: Incorrect. The serial number must be on the receiver. All other required markings can be on the "frame, receiver, or barrel". See 27 CFR 479.102 Quoted: Quoted: Needs to be on the reciever. Incorrect. The serial number must be on the receiver. All other required markings can be on the "frame, receiver, or barrel". See 27 CFR 479.102 So can the upper constitute the "frame?" |
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It doesn't look horrible but a near 2 month wait and $75 for what is not sufficient for ATF kind of sucks. Now I have to get it done elsewhere since I do not want to wait another 2 months. It is sufficient. It does not have to be on the receiver. That is good to go. |
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good to know. at least your engraver didn't make your lower look like a damn trophy. my ar lower engraving is HORRIBLE, and i doubt it's .003. im going to just use an etecher and do it my damn self. these engravers take FOREVER and don't know what they are doing unless it's ident or something. mine was in person dropoff and a detailed explanation of what I wanted, and then they charged me double. im still sick about it. Quoted:
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Needs to be on the reciever. Incorrect. The serial number must be on the receiver. All other required markings can be on the "frame, receiver, or barrel". See 27 CFR 479.102 at least your engraver didn't make your lower look like a damn trophy. my ar lower engraving is HORRIBLE, and i doubt it's .003. im going to just use an etecher and do it my damn self. these engravers take FOREVER and don't know what they are doing unless it's ident or something. mine was in person dropoff and a detailed explanation of what I wanted, and then they charged me double. im still sick about it. The same thing happened to me. The engraving didn't even break through the anodizing. I am out $80, and now I have to send my lowers to Orion and have them done again. |
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The engraving of the maker's info needs to be on the frame, receiver or barrel. The frame/receiver is the part where the serial number is located. We all know what the barrel is. The OP's engraving is not on the frame/receiver or the barrel, so it is not correct. Here is the rules on engraving.
Title 27: Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms § 479.102 How must firearms be identified? (a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must legibly identify the firearm as follows: (1) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and (2) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes: (i) The model, if such designation has been made; (ii) The caliber or gauge; (iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker; (iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the firearm; and (v) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134. (b) The depth of all markings required by this section will be measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges. The height of serial numbers required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section will be measured as the distance between the latitudinal ends of the character impression bottoms (bases). (c) The Director may authorize other means of identification upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such other identification is reasonable and will not hinder the effective administration of this part. (d) In the case of a destructive device, the Director may authorize other means of identifying that weapon upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) such a weapon would be dangerous or impracticable. (e) A firearm frame or receiver that is not a component part of a complete weapon at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you must be identified as required by this section. (f)(1) Any part defined as a machine gun, muffler, or silencer for the purposes of this part that is not a component part of a complete firearm at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you must be identified as required by this section. (2) The Director may authorize other means of identification of parts defined as machine guns other than frames or receivers and parts defined as mufflers or silencers upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such other identification is reasonable and will not hinder the effective administration of this part. |
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