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Awesome work. I have a question about how you're chucking your barrel. Does that collar you're using to hold it help you eliminate runout with the 3 jaw chuck, or is it just to keep the barrel from being marred? I have a barrel I need to ream the chamber a little deeper and I figured I would use my 4 jaw. Or is the small amount of runout from a 3 jaw not a big deal when chambering?
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The bushing is the same one we use for the barrel vice, and is machined to fit the barrel. It was mainly a failed attempt to protect the bluing. Getting the runout gone was a pain.
We only had it chucked up to face off .008 to get the chamber depth set, all the reaming was done by hand, since it was only finishing. The barrel came short chambered, just not short enough. |
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Gotcha. I've heard of using aluminum shims (cut from a soda can) to adjust runout on a 3 jaw chuck. I've used that method to help prevent marring, but I use my 4 jaw if I'm worried about runout. I think pretty much anything is going to rub the blueing off, though.
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Yep, next time I will do all the fitting and chambering before I finish the rifle.
I had the cart ahead of the horse as it were this time Barrels hanging up right now geting it's rust on. |
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Looks great! Looking forward to your range reports. Very curious to see how your Shaw barrel performs.
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Well, I have a RIFLE!
Attached File I boogered the finish on the barrel pretty good whenI had to break it down to set it back. I spent a couple days trying to patch the bluing back, but just never got it right. I knew every time I looked at it in sunlight I'd be pissed, So back in the lathe it went and down to bare metal again.Once I got the bluing off, I could see that it was microscopically pitted, giving it a light, matte look. I ended up using 100 grit to cut down to clean metal and taking it all the way back up to 600. Thank God for Lathes....... Then back from the top with the bluing Finally finished up tonight and got it together. Pretty satisfied with the results. Ready for the range, I'm on shift tommorrow and the Wife Unit is expecting Floor tile to appear on her durarock kitchen floor in the next couple of days, so looks like Monday will be the earliet range day, and that will be fireforming for the AI cases. I'll try to do some detailed photos and post them Tuesday or Wednsday. |
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A few more pics, really hard to get the whole gun Attached File
On shift tommorrow, Monday is Range day for fireforming Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Looks great! Can't wait to see range report.
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I have read through this whole tread. Great job sir!!!! |
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1.25" groups would be respectable for a hunting rifle even under good conditions. You have some serious potential there.
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Very inspiring build. Thank you for the submission!
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Originally Posted By jevonniespapi:
Very inspiring build. Thank you for the submission! Thank You! |
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I think I've got something here!
( Lost Target photo ) 100 yards, 46. 5-47 grains of IMR 4831 SC, 140 grain AMAX. The best group is 46.5, 3/4 of an inch with a called pulled shot. 5 shots.4 of five into less than 1/2 inch I can't shoot any better than that! Very pleased with the results, my first time out with the AI cases, first powder, first bullet, lots of room to experiment with powder, bullets, seating depth, etc. ER Shaw 26 inch 1-8 twist barrel. The report and muzzle blast are minimal, recoil nonexistant. |
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A final word on my Mauser Project;
Went to the range today, and the results were stunning. I couldn't be happier with the way it turned out. I am at what I consider a very early stage in load development. I have tried exactly one powder, and one bullet. All of my loads have been a variation of a 140 grain AMAX over IMR 4831 SC. Today's final load was 48.5 grains, at the top for the 6.5 X 55 Swede, but well below the max for the Ackley Improved version. It's running about 2810 with a SD of less than 10. The rifle is capable of 1 hole groups, I am not. You can see in the photo that I managed to put four of five in a single hole with one premature ejaculation of the just under 2lb trigger the next group is two groups Attached File I had four of those left, so I moved down to the "good" concrete bench at 300 yards. When I went down to collect the target, I about sh** myself! Attached File .75 inch four shot group at 300 yards. That is the best group I have ever fired in my life. So I am HAPPY with the way my Mauser turned out. And for those that were curious about E.R. Shaw Barrels, I think you can buy with confidence and rest easy. That barrel was on my front doorstep contoured, crowned, and short chambered for just under $200.They are available from Brownells for Remingtond for about $150 short chambered too. I added up the Rifle, a rough estimate. The Receiver was a trade with my friend, as was the Fajen Stock, I'm building an AR for him. I bought the Receiver for $ 60, some miscellaneous parts, gas block, tube, a stock, he bought the upper receiver, barrel, I'm custom making the free float tube and barrel nut, so I bought materials. And I picked up a wood stock for his M-77 on eBay for $75 Call it $200 for the receiver ER Shaw Barrel, $200 Brownells supplies$100, this included two bottles of bluing solution, heat paste, sling swivels, etc $500 so far $45 for the Boyds trigger $45 for the reamer rental. $30 for the tap rental to clean up the receiver/barrel threads $620 $50 for the two replacement trigger guards one I melted with the mig, the other cracked from cold hammering $100 guestimate for miscellaneous supplies, sandpaper, metal for making the tools, epoxy, tung oil, etc. $80 for the custom dies. So somewhere around $850 total investment, plus untold hours sanding, polishing, fitting parts and inleting the stock.And dozens of hours of free machine work and shop help from my neighbor. But in the end, a TRULY custom rifle that SHOOTS! It is no where near perfect, plenty of little screw ups and things I'd do differently, but all in all it was a great learning experience that vastly expanded my gunsmithing skills and gave me a much better understanding of what it takes to make a good rifle. Thanks to all who encouraged me along the way and offered helpful hints, and those like Fat Ncnasty who offer to do some of the bluing for me. Hopefully I put up a post in a year or so of the Antelope that I shot with it at some ungodly distance, in the meantime, I'm going to spend some time finding good loads for it and learning how to shoot out past 300 yards. I may post over in the reloading forum a thread about developing a load for the Ackley improved cartridge if I have time. Off to the Archives with ya! |
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very nice looks good shoots good you got your self a winner there
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Originally Posted By PR361:
.75 inch four shot group at 300 yards. Awesome job on the rifle and the group. |
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There isn't anything that government cannot do half as well, for twice as much.
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Great job and thanks for the last range report.
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Very nice job and a great rifle to boot! They should tack this thread for others.
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The Jerry Kuhnhausen book on Mausers may lead some to make cuts on the Mauser bolt face or to have a Mauser heat treated.
Not good ideas. |
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Probably been asked already, but what flavor of Mauser did that action begin its life as? German-Anberg? German-other? Czech? Argentine?
A true officionado of Mauser actions might be able to tell from the pics, but I can't make that claim... I just have a bucket of old actions for projects... |
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Probably been asked already, but what flavor of Mauser did that action begin its life as? German-Anberg? German-other? Czech? Argentine? A true officionado of Mauser actions might be able to tell from the pics, but I can't make that claim... I just have a bucket of old actions for projects... View Quote Gewher 1898? The Germans made alot of Mausers for other countries. |
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*hit quote instead of edit*
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Not fly enough to be halal....
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Tagging for ideas for some single shot 22's my son is working on.
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Probably been asked already, but what flavor of Mauser did that action begin its life as? German-Anberg? German-other? Czech? Argentine? A true officionado of Mauser actions might be able to tell from the pics, but I can't make that claim... I just have a bucket of old actions for projects... View Quote oberndorf But It has just been an action for at least the last 30 years, riding around in my friends box good intentions until I traded him for it. |
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Originally Posted By PR361:
oberndorf But It has just been an action for at least the last 30 years, riding around in my friends box good intentions until I traded him for it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PR361:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Probably been asked already, but what flavor of Mauser did that action begin its life as? German-Anberg? German-other? Czech? Argentine? A true officionado of Mauser actions might be able to tell from the pics, but I can't make that claim... I just have a bucket of old actions for projects... oberndorf But It has just been an action for at least the last 30 years, riding around in my friends box good intentions until I traded him for it. Neato, my hog killer is an Anberg, but I have a Czech, an Argentine (maybe 2), and a Siamese in the closet in various states of disrepair. My old man (retired gunsmith) has a soft spot for poorly Bubba-ed Mauser actions... One of these days I'm going to get around to rebuilding all of them... None of them are particularly valuable, nor interesting to anyone but me, but I like them. |
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I had never messed with them prior to this one, now I'm a big fan and definitely want to do another, just have too many things on my plate right now.
I really enjoyed building that rifle. Good luck with yours. |
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Kinda want to get a Mauser now to make a 6.5X47 lapua outta it
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Shut the front door.
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The Argentine Mausers are the best Mausers made in Germany.
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My Siamese is chambered in 45-70.
For snakes and such... |
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Freakin' awesome thread!
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Originally Posted By PR361: I'm using This product from Brownells now, it;s not listed in the blueing but rather under browning products. Reading the instructions reveals that browning and bluing are bacically the same process, browning is carded off without boiling, boiling in distilled water converts the brown/red oxide to black oxide, or blue. This bottle comes with instructions for blueing or browning, and is cheaper tha the rust blues, less than $10 for the 4 oz bottle, 2-3 guns worth. It also seems to have a slightly bluer color.... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/195613/4C90F843-02BF-419D-8AEC-93706DF018D8-553053.JPG My E.R. Shaw barrel is boiling down it's second rust as I type this.... View Quote How do you boil a whole barrel? Do you have a tank for that? |
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Why not (\/) (;,,;) (\/) Zoidberg?
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How do the AI cartridges feed from the magazine?
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" If govt parsimony is economic madness, and debt-fuelled govt spending a recipe for riches, why aren't the Greeks bailing out the Germans?"
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Cool that this threads still around, and popped up in my topics!
I have a stainless tank that was once a griddle grease trap I think, my neighbor picked it up for me at an auction. Brownell and Midway sell bluing tanks. Ebay has some. The AI cartridge feeds fine, it’s 4 thousandth shorter case, a little sharper shoulder. |
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Originally Posted By Rick-OShay: How do you boil a whole barrel? Do you have a tank for that? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rick-OShay: Originally Posted By PR361: I'm using This product from Brownells now, it;s not listed in the blueing but rather under browning products. Reading the instructions reveals that browning and bluing are bacically the same process, browning is carded off without boiling, boiling in distilled water converts the brown/red oxide to black oxide, or blue. This bottle comes with instructions for blueing or browning, and is cheaper tha the rust blues, less than $10 for the 4 oz bottle, 2-3 guns worth. It also seems to have a slightly bluer color.... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/195613/4C90F843-02BF-419D-8AEC-93706DF018D8-553053.JPG My E.R. Shaw barrel is boiling down it's second rust as I type this.... How do you boil a whole barrel? Do you have a tank for that? Brownells makes tanks, but if youre handy with a welder you can make your own. |
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Originally Posted By xviperx420: Brownells makes tanks, but if youre handy with a welder you can make your own. View Quote Old school 4ft fluorescent light fixtures work well if you come across one. One I found only had a few mounting screw holes, unwelded holes in the corners and the conduit hole. Easier than making one from scratch if you come across one. |
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Originally Posted By GNRNR: Old school 4ft fluorescent light fixtures work well if you come across one. One I found only had a few mounting screw holes, unwelded holes in the corners and the conduit hole. Easier than making one from scratch if you come across one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GNRNR: Originally Posted By xviperx420: Brownells makes tanks, but if youre handy with a welder you can make your own. Old school 4ft fluorescent light fixtures work well if you come across one. One I found only had a few mounting screw holes, unwelded holes in the corners and the conduit hole. Easier than making one from scratch if you come across one. Steel ones. Not aluminum. Bluing salts do interesting, but bad, things to aluminum. Neat post. |
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Originally Posted By xviperx420: Steel ones. Not aluminum. Bluing salts do interesting, but bad, things to aluminum. Neat post. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By xviperx420: Originally Posted By GNRNR: Originally Posted By xviperx420: Brownells makes tanks, but if youre handy with a welder you can make your own. Old school 4ft fluorescent light fixtures work well if you come across one. One I found only had a few mounting screw holes, unwelded holes in the corners and the conduit hole. Easier than making one from scratch if you come across one. Steel ones. Not aluminum. Bluing salts do interesting, but bad, things to aluminum. Neat post. No bluing salts used in proper rust bluing. |
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