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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:41:58 PM EDT
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I just got one, I had a sharps in 45/70 and loved it... I hunted with it last year and ran into the need for a repeated so I was going to buy a 1895 marlin guide gun in 45/70 and ran across this 450 for a reasonable deal...
I bought the gun in as new condition with 4 boxes of ammo for $500 the 4 boxes of ammo had 12 already fired ( this should had been a clue) I shot it this weekend and wow I put 28 rounds through it and my shoulder is banged up big time! This is mostly due to bench shooting to sight it in... You guys that have one what scope holds up to the recoil and what type of mounts do you use... Also do you down load these to level 1 45/70 and what kind of performance have you seen? My rifle is not ported I intend on loading some and shooting some level 1 stuff.... I was able to shoot 2 3 shot groups that where about 1 in open sights at 50 yards not bad for a 18in shoulder buster!! |
Congtats on a great gun. Here is my custom takedown .450. I am using a Leupold scout scope, with Warne quick detach rings on Wild West Guns' base. Their base allows you to even keep the stock buckhorn sight if you want. It takes but seconds to mount and dismount the scope for use of irons. It is having the best of both worlds. Recoil won't bother this set up.
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I shoot heavy loaded 45-70 Marlins, which is what the .450 really is.
My 1975 Vintage Marlin 1895 has a one piece Weaver base, old style Weaver rings, and an old steel tube Weaver K3 (3x) scope. I've tried a few different scope combos on this one, and prefer this setup. Plus it's all from the same era as the gun. Other scopes I have used on this gun. Burris 4x mini, Tasco Titan 1.5-6x, and a Bushnell Elite 4200 1.5-4.5x illuminated reticle. No problems with any of the scopes. The Bushnell was the best scope but looked totally out of place on the old Marlin and I put it on an AR. My stainless guide gun has a Leupold STD base and rings. The scope is a Leupold M8-3x. This rifle was setup like this when I bought it (also has a Pachmayr decelerator pad, which helps a lot). I am considering a change on this gunm to make it better for low light or night hunting. I also don't care for the Leupold STD mounting system on a hard recoiling gun. Since you're in Texas, I'll assume that you plan to hunt hogs with your .450, maybe at night? Here is what I'm thinking about putting on my Stainless Guide Gun. Leupold QRW base (steel Weaver base) Leupold PRW rings (These are the best weaver type rings for the money that I know of) * - Use Leupold QRW rings if you want the quick detach feature. Low powered variable scope (with illuminated reticle if you plan to hunt at night). I have the Bushnell mentioned above that I could pull off it's AR. Or I have a Weaver Classic Extreme 1.5-4.5x that I may use. Both of these scopes have 30mm tubes. Leupold, Burris, and others make similar scopes that would also be good choices. |
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Planing on hunting hog's at night too!!! I am going to load some 405 laser cast to level 1 45/70 for my pig hunting adventure's......
I have a old us made redfield 2-7 that I was thinking on using but these scout setup's kinda interest me because to me they seem quicker to get on target??? maybe maybe not? I really like the look's of these Xs rail's but since they mount to the dove tail I was not sure about holding up under the recoil that this thing is capable of.. How do the forward mounted scope's do with spot light's and clarity of view at night? |
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I've never used a scout scope, tried it once and didn't care for it. I guess 40 years of using a conventional mounted scope is too much to unlearn.
I wouldn't worry about the durability of the XS mounts, some of the more recently Marlin 45-70's have these mounts from the factory. |
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I can walk in a buy ammo at my local fun store but did not hear of it being discontinued....
I have 6 boxes at this time and don't see the need for more it seems to be some thick tough brass it should have a fairly long life... I searched it and appears you are right, I am not happy about it but as long as I can get brass then no big deal.. |
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The wife and I were up in Alaska a few years back.
We were on Wrangell Island.........talking to a guy who was a Bear hunting Guide. His rifle was a Marlin in .450 
His load was a 485 gr gas check lead slug at about 1800 fps. I asked him if it hurt to shoot it........YEP he said. But he continued "I had to shoot it 3 times at bears intending to eat me or my client......and then I didn't feel a thing!"  
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| Marlin has disco'd the rifles. Hornady is the only maker of brass, and it is in short supply. Factory loaded ammo is made in two varieties, by Hornady alone, and each load has a different length brass. There is no parent case from which to form brass after what is out there dries up. These are the reasons I passed on the .450, going with the 444 instead. |
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The wife and I were up in Alaska a few years back. We were on Wrangell Island.........talking to a guy who was a Bear hunting Guide. His rifle was a Marlin in .450
His load was a 485 gr gas check lead slug at about 1800 fps. I asked him if it hurt to shoot it........YEP he said. But he continued "I had to shoot it 3 times at bears intending to eat me or my client......and then I didn't feel a thing!" LOL ... I gave my youngest son a Weatherby Ultralight in .30-06 his first year at the Air Force Academy. I zeroed it for him and it is absolutely brutal off the bench. He killed an elk with it that fall, and I asked how he liked the recoil. He said that it kicked his shoulder black and blue, but it didn't kick at all when there was hair in the scope. |
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I loaded up some 405 laser cast over benchmark to 1500 fps last night so well see how those do.. It ain't that bad to shoot but off the bench look out! I like it but I am going to store up about 200 cases either loaded up or brass as I see them.. I wouldn't be too concerned about it. The .450 Marlin has undoubtedly sold more guns and ammo than many other more obscure rounds. No one worries about getting brass for their 458 SOCOM or 50 Beowulf for example. |
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I loaded up some 405 laser cast over benchmark to 1500 fps last night so well see how those do.. It ain't that bad to shoot but off the bench look out! I like it but I am going to store up about 200 cases either loaded up or brass as I see them.. I wouldn't be too concerned about it. The .450 Marlin has undoubtedly sold more guns and ammo than many other more obscure rounds. No one worries about getting brass for their 458 SOCOM or 50 Beowulf for example. Really? I disagree, as Hornady, the sole manufacturer, has stated they are going to produce one (1) run of .450 Marlin bras later this year, at 6000 pieces. Every place on the web is either out of stock, or charging MSRP+. Furthermore, there is no parent case from which to form brass. If tone could lay hands on 200rds, as the previous poster suggested, one might be OK. I, personally, would own a gun that one could not perpetually get brass for. |
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I loaded up some 405 laser cast over benchmark to 1500 fps last night so well see how those do.. It ain't that bad to shoot but off the bench look out! I like it but I am going to store up about 200 cases either loaded up or brass as I see them.. I wouldn't be too concerned about it. The .450 Marlin has undoubtedly sold more guns and ammo than many other more obscure rounds. No one worries about getting brass for their 458 SOCOM or 50 Beowulf for example. Really? I disagree, as Hornady, the sole manufacturer, has stated they are going to produce one (1) run of .450 Marlin bras later this year, at 6000 pieces. Every place on the web is either out of stock, or charging MSRP+. Furthermore, there is no parent case from which to form brass. If tone could lay hands on 200rds, as the previous poster suggested, one might be OK. I, personally, would own a gun that one could not perpetually get brass for. .458 SOCOM? .50 Beowulf? .307 and .356 Winchester? All of the Remington RSUM rounds? These and others are in the same situation. If there is a market for the brass, Starline or someone will make it. |
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I loaded up some 405 laser cast over benchmark to 1500 fps last night so well see how those do.. It ain't that bad to shoot but off the bench look out! I like it but I am going to store up about 200 cases either loaded up or brass as I see them.. I wouldn't be too concerned about it. The .450 Marlin has undoubtedly sold more guns and ammo than many other more obscure rounds. No one worries about getting brass for their 458 SOCOM or 50 Beowulf for example. Really? I disagree, as Hornady, the sole manufacturer, has stated they are going to produce one (1) run of .450 Marlin bras later this year, at 6000 pieces. Every place on the web is either out of stock, or charging MSRP+. Furthermore, there is no parent case from which to form brass. If tone could lay hands on 200rds, as the previous poster suggested, one might be OK. I, personally, would own a gun that one could not perpetually get brass for. .458 SOCOM? .50 Beowulf? .307 and .356 Winchester? All of the Remington RSUM rounds? These and others are in the same situation. If there is a market for the brass, Starline or someone will make it. And thats the rub, isn't it? Is there a market for it? I seriously doubt there is, or Marlin / Remington would not have discontinued after so short a run. In all honesty, it was a dead cartridge the day it was introduced. It offers nothing that the 45/70 and 444 do not. |
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