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10/20/2014 10:06:58 AM EDT
I have had a second safe in my basement for about 4 years now. The safe has always had a goldenrod in it and is slightly raised off the concrete floor. The basement has always been very damp - water trickles across the floor after very hard/extended rains.
  I opened the door last night and all the guns had light surface rust on the metal and mold on the leather and the wood. I( caught it in time , but what can i do to prevent this from happening in the future ?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Dennis
10/20/2014 10:11:05 AM EDT
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Stop the water from entering basement.   Get a dehumidifier.
10/20/2014 10:16:30 AM EDT
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I have a dehumidifier and i have spent over $10,000 trying to stop the water and can't.
Dennis
10/20/2014 10:37:13 AM EDT
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I would move the guns, and the safe, out of the basement.  If the humidity can not be controlled, there's nothing else you can do.  If the guns are rusting, it's likely the internals of the safe are as well.

10/20/2014 10:47:44 AM EDT
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I would move the guns, and the safe, out of the basement.  If the humidity can not be controlled, there's nothing else you can do.  If the guns are rusting, it's likely the internals of the safe are as well.

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Yup
10/20/2014 12:00:28 PM EDT
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I once had water coming into my basement after heavy rains. I hired professionals and took their advice and had several expensive dry wells put in with large gravel pits. That didn't fix it. Turns out the problem was that water was simply going over the top of the foundation because the dirt level on the front of the house was too high. The fix was just to skim off a few inches of dirt by the house. In other words, I could have fixed it with a shovel and 10 minutes.
10/20/2014 12:48:17 PM EDT
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I have absolutely nowhere else to put the safe. What about installing a second goldenrod in the safe ?
Thanks, Dennis
10/20/2014 12:50:59 PM EDT
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I once had water coming into my basement after heavy rains. I hired professionals and took their advice and had several expensive dry wells put in with large gravel pits. That didn't fix it. Turns out the problem was that water was simply going over the top of the foundation because the dirt level on the front of the house was too high. The fix was just to skim off a few inches of dirt by the house. In other words, I could have fixed it with a shovel and 10 minutes.
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That doesn't seem to be my problem
Thanks, Dennis
10/20/2014 1:31:49 PM EDT
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I have absolutely nowhere else to put the safe. What about installing a second goldenrod in the safe ?
Thanks, Dennis
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Personally, i wouldnt aim to introduce more heat.  While it might solve the humidity issue, in one sense, it could raise the temp excessively.  I would be far more inclined to install a second dehumidifier.  I would drain both via a hose and run both 24/7.|

ETA It might help to add some sort of evadry type internal dehumidifier.  You might have to dry it weekly or more, but it should help.

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10/20/2014 1:49:25 PM EDT
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^^^^^  He is right.  A dry rod is not removing humidity, it's raising the dew point.  When dealing with excessive moisture, the only solution is to eliminate the moisture.  Either stop the water from coming in, or remove it thoroughly once it is.

Do you have a hygrometer?  I'm curious what the humidity is like.  If it's bad enough to cause rust issues, you could have mold problems as well.

10/20/2014 5:46:20 PM EDT
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I have a dehumidifier and i have spent over $10,000 trying to stop the water and can't.

Dennis
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$10k should have gotten your foundation dug up, sealed with a membrane and drain system put in..







 
10/20/2014 7:49:18 PM EDT
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]$10k should have gotten your foundation dug up, sealed with a membrane and drain system put in..

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that's exactly what i had done. your pics resemble what i did
dennis
10/20/2014 10:24:35 PM EDT
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]$10k should have gotten your foundation dug up, sealed with a membrane and drain system put in..



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that's exactly what i had done. your pics resemble what i did

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No shit?  They used a mastic, primer, product like envirosheet, drain tile and a drain system and you still have a leak?  



Did the go down to the footer?





Was there a warranty?





 
10/22/2014 5:35:46 AM EDT
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I have a similar issue with moisture that I inquired here about sometime ago..My house was built in the 1800's and sits practically on the ground and is rather drafty,so I get lots of humidity here most of the year.The only solution I found that actually works for the closed containers is the Eva Dry dehumidifiers/desiccants.I have two in each safe/locker(and a couple spares) and dry them every 7-14 days depending on the weather.Never had any rust issues,but I did have a couple instances with mold which I hate worse than rust.Since using the desiccants Ive not had any issues.

I also run two of the Eva Dry EDV1100 mini electric dehumidifiers in the room 24/7.They do not actually have much affect dropping the RH but they constantly remove moisture and the small fan constantly circulate the air in the room.

As a note, I would remove all the leather/nylon/fabric accessories from inside the safe.I prefer to store items like this hanging in open air with a fan for circulation to keep them dry.Also placing a small personal size fan at floor level to lightly circulate the air helps.Give the wood a good wipe down with Johnsons paste wax once every couple months to help prevent moisture and mold from affecting the stocks.I typically wax the inside and outside of the wood stocks just for this reason.
10/22/2014 7:32:19 AM EDT
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Here is my basement water story. We bought our house and had water constantly standing in the basement. My father in law is over the area soil conservation office and knows "everything" about this topic. First, tried to sealing the basement from the inside and that failed. He wanted to do the membrane install $7,500 that me and my wife did not have in our first year of marriage. I was standing at the house during a heavy rain and noticed the rain running down our metal roof so fast it flew right over the gutters onto the ground and against the foundation. $500 later and new wide gutters I have a dry basement. Father in law is in shock.
10/22/2014 7:53:48 AM EDT
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You will need to control the humidity or move the safe to somewhere else.  These are your only options.  Apparently your rod can't keep up on the job.  I had a similar problem back a few years and had to move my safe too.
10/22/2014 8:57:15 PM EDT
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I now have 2 Goldenrods in the safe. A 12 " and an 18". Also checked the humidity in and out of the safe. Humidity is 85 % both places.
Apparently, extra Goldenrods don't dry the air any.
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10/22/2014 9:04:04 PM EDT
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At a constant 85%, you have some serious issues.  I don't think there's much you're going to be able to do to combat that problem, short of eliminating the water.

10/23/2014 5:18:57 PM EDT
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I now have 2 Goldenrods in the safe. A 12 " and an 18". Also checked the humidity in and out of the safe. Humidity is 85 % both places.
Apparently, extra Goldenrods don't dry the air any.
Dennis


85% is pretty damn high running dehumidifiers.  I am shocked you don't have a hell of a mold issue















































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10/28/2014 8:09:34 PM EDT
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My thought is that you need an expert to examine your house and find the real problem. We bought a house and saw signs of water in the basement. The previous owners had put in drainage systems, gravel, pipes, plastic landscape sheets...

One day I noticed the rain was dripping from the top of the front door frame.

Hurricane Floyd was expected, so I called a roofer. He got up on a ladder and as he was about to look at the roof over the front door, he noticed that under the eve, there was a missing brick in the front wall.

The builder missed one brick, and water was running off part of the roof, hitting the missing brick under the other part of the roof, and leaking in.  Unless you climed up there, there was no way to see it.

Look for some hidden problem, or let a good contractor examine your home.
11/6/2014 8:55:19 PM EDT
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I'd put a regular incandescent light bulb in the safe and leave it on.  It will generate heat and keep things dry.
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