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Posted: 2/21/2016 5:42:57 PM EDT
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It used to worry me when I purchased my first one because there were so many complaints about them. I purchased my first one from
a fellow here on AR15.com. It worried me a little at first because it was a Gen 1 that had been upgrade to a Gen 4 by MSAR, but it worked out great, never had a problem. My other MSAR is a Gen 4. I finally decided about a year ago to quit being so cheap and purchased an Aug. Both of the MSAR rifles only cost me a little over the cost of the Aug and some mags. The only thing I regret about the MSAR is that they went out of business. Both of them function just as well and are just as accurate as my Aug. I have picked up some spare parts over the last year or two, so the only thing I have to worry about is a major breakdown. If that happens I will have extra parts for the other. I really like the Aug, but the MSAR rifles I have have never had a hiccup. |
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When the STG and E4s worked, they worked great! When they had issues it was a crapshoot whether the rifle would ever be truly functional again and even then you ran the risk of them actually doing the work and butchering it without really fixing the issue.
MSAR's problem wasn't a flawed design, it was flawed management. Any decent management team could have saved the company and produced a decent product...but you can't do that when you have MSAR's team involved. |
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I have two and bought a ton of parts when I was using them regularly and parts were cheap because I was afraid they'd break. No problems ever. I'd buy a AUG but my MSARs run flawlessly so why bother? If you have an MSAR that has proven reliable... your probably ok if you arent a high round count shooter. The problem with MSAR was that they put out some rifles that should never have passed QC( bolt carrier material was crap), same with thier mags. You never hear these reports from AUG owners. |
| I was happy with the Gen 2 I had (sold it to fund other things) but I have yet to shoot my Gebirgsjager limited edition, hopefully it doesn't turn out to be a turd! As for the magazines being crap, I don't believe the STG ones had issues... the E4/AR mags on the other hand turned out to be a nightmare. |
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Bought my STG when Ratworx was pushing them and jagdkommando was still there doing all he could for CS, then the move and he was gone and all seemed to go down hill.
Mine has broken the cam pin, the plastic bolt buffer for lack of proper part name and the barrel was replaced because the chamber was so out of spec my brass swelled (factory American Eagle ammo) so bad it could not be run thru a sizing die without getting stuck and this was about the time they moved and had no barrels due to lack of bill payment. They did take one from a stock rifle after persistent calling and dealing with some poor guy who got me the swap that shall remain nameless, I don't know that it matters now, probably a real rough spot in his life stuck between a rock and a hard place. Felt his pain been there and it sucks. I bought the Ratworx buffer, bolt and bolt sleeve so far so good. Time will tell. |
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I was happy with the Gen 2 I had (sold it to fund other things) but I have yet to shoot my Gebirgsjager limited edition, hopefully it doesn't turn out to be a turd! As for the magazines being crap, I don't believe the STG ones had issues... the E4/AR mags on the other hand turned out to be a nightmare. The Gebirgsjager rifles should all be excellent guns. I would count on it. |
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I have two MSAR E4's that run 100% for quite a few years now. Both have the Precision 2020 drop in hammer packs (the ones that use AR15 parts) and I have to say I have not found any Bullpups that have triggers that come close. One has a Manticore Talon Scope mount (the one that resembles the original AUG profile) with the barrel cut down to 13" and a Noveske Flaming Pig pinned and welded on. the other has a short low top rail (with Trijicon ACOG) and an AAC Ranger suppressor dedicated to it. I have plenty of spare parts. In fact spares of "everything" except trunnion and stocks and have not had to use any of the spare parts so far.
Love them both and would not part with them for any reason. |
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Mine works fine with brass ammo, does not feed well with steel at all. And when a bull pup jams, it is a major pain in the ass to clear.
I'd not buy one now, as the later models were supposedly junk, and parts are scarce, but if you have one and it's working, that's all you can ask for in any gun. |
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Mine only malfed once. Though it was a hell of a malfunction with steel case ammo. Ran it through a carbine course where it was one of two guns that made it through the course with no mechanical issues. The scope sucked, but that should have been an easy fix that I never quite got around to.
I wish I still had it. 
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Never had a problem...Wish they made a 12'' barrel ...would be a cool SBR...  I cut the barrel of one of my E4's down to 13" and blind pinned on a Noveske Flaming Pig just for the hell of it. Runs 100% without any modification to the gas port but I am not sure you could get it down to 12" as that would put the muzzle right up against the gas regulator. Depending on what flash hider you use you may BBQ your hand. My other E4 has a dedicated suppressor on it. 
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It used to .....worry ......me when I purchased .... regret ........ worry .....about is a major breakdown. Both of them function just as well and are just as accurate as my Aug. Sell the MSAR rifles and "spares" and just buy another AUG. Your deciding to share your thoughts with the words " worry' , regret and worry" suggests to me you regret your decision. "Just as well and just as accurate. " ? The fact that you posted the issue speaks volumes. I messed with the MSAR when they first came out and sold them quickly due to malfunctions. I saw the end coming for them. ( except for the knives) Sell MSAR rifles and spares = no more worries and reaching for a real AUG as piece of mind. |
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Like my post says "it used to worry me". I also own two S&W model 39 pistols, that would be difficult to get parts for if something broke. They also shoot great, so I will keep them along with the MSAR. What was the purpose of your original post? Seemed like you needed to "justify" keeping the MSAR rifles. Keep in mind that the value of the MSAR rifles continue to fall in the market place. Most people don't trust these rifles. Are you saying that you would buy the two MSAR rifles again knowing what you know now? |
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I had some reservations when I purchased the first Msar, but I liked it so much that I purchased another. I have been extremely happy with
both of them. I got a nice severance package from the company I was working for so I purchased an Aug. If I could find another new MSAR as cheap as the other two, I would probably buy it. I hardly ever shoot my AR rifles anymore. |
I liked my E-4 so much I put ~55,000 rounds through it It will go down as my absolute favorite rifle of my life. It's still being shot regularly by the guy I sold it to.
I broke a cam pin, but the rifle didn't malf at all. Only noticed it during an inspection later. MSAR Dave hooked me up with a ton of spare parts for it too. I sold my MSAR to buy an AUG, and I still say that MSAR made a nicer rifle. Excellent machine work, and the stocks were twice as nice as a Steyr. Their only downfall was shoddy QC, and the CS dropped off at the end. Their magazines were absolute shit though. |
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I liked my E-4 so much I put ~55,000 rounds through it It will go down as my absolute favorite rifle of my life. It's still being shot regularly by the guy I sold it to.
I broke a cam pin, but the rifle didn't malf at all. Only noticed it during an inspection later. MSAR Dave hooked me up with a ton of spare parts for it too. I sold my MSAR to buy an AUG, and I still say that MSAR made a nicer rifle. Excellent machine work, and the stocks were twice as nice as a Steyr. Their only downfall was shoddy QC, and the CS dropped off at the end. Their magazines were absolute shit though. Amen on the first gen XM-30 mags. But you already knew I'd say that. ;-) I have to agree about the stocks, the MSAR stocks were much nicer and more configurable that the Steyr stocks. I just wish they would have finished the seams on the revised E-4 stocks they were producing before they went tits up. Rather than have embedded helicoils, they used a backer with actual threaded bushings that fit into the stock. Much, much nicer. |
| I bought my MSAR STG-556 3 months before it was announced the AUG was coming back. Do I wish I had an AUG, sure. Have I ever had a problem with my MSAR? No. Perhaps one day I'll get me a green AUG with the 3X optic. Now to be fair my MSAR is more Ratworx than MSAR anymore. It's been 100% so far and I'm ok with that. |
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