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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - TPD AXR Value? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/15/2015 12:33:17 PM EDT
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Mod: this is not a for sale post. I'm asking here about a value because this section has the most expertise.
Everyone else: please don't turn this into a for sale post. If I decide to sell my AXR it will be at a later date. If you're interested, PM me and I'll shoot you the EE link when it goes up. I'm trying to figure out a fair price to ask for my TPD AXR. They don't come up for sale on GB or the EE very often (only ~140 made) so that's kind of hard to do. The only one I see in a completed items search is some jokester asking for $3000 for what looks to be a beat up and dirty example. It obviously hasn't sold for that price. I'm the original owner of the gun and I've had it since 2009, but I've become addicted to 3-gun and I need to fund a new 3-gun rifle build. I've been using a heavy and unwieldy 20" AR that I originally built for long range stuff, not at all optimal for 3-gun. Anyway, I have a few extras for this gun.  It has the 2020 TR-1A rail that replaces the folding VFG (I still have the original VFG and it would be included of course.)  I have an in-the-white medium top rail for the gun that I had planned on having Cerakoted black, but never got around to it.  The rifle has the short top rail and the side rail as well.  I also have a green MSAR E4 stock with hammer pack that has been slightly modified to fit the AXR receiver.  The original gas regulator has been replaced with a MSAR version since the factory one had a bad heat treat and shattered (this was a really common problem, and a shame because it was a beautifully machined piece of stainless steel.)  You may have seen my particular gun either in pictures or in person with various muzzle devices, I have reinstalled the original factory muzzle brake and timed it properly.  I have Urban ERT sling adapters for both stocks, a black one for the NATO stock and a green one for the green E4 stock. I realize the mods and extras don't necessarily add value - sometimes the opposite. But I think these are tasteful extras, and the 2020 rail can easily be replaced with the factory VFG. The gun is a shooter, but I haven't put an excessive number of rounds through it.  At one point I had it set up for long range work and it was quite accurate for a Steyr pattern gun, very consistently under 2MOA with Hornady 8026 and a 2020 match trigger that I sold a few months back.  I would say that it has around 1000 rounds through it, but certainly less than 1500.  I am not very anal about tracking such things. The gun is in great shape, but does show signs of use.  There is wear in the finish where the charging handle rides (visible in the pic below.)  There is a small scratch on the receiver on the left side (also visible in pic below.)  Between the receiver and the stock (not visible normally) there is some additional finish wear.  Because it's Cerakote, you could have it stripped and reapplied, but I think it's fine as-is.  The stock has the usual wear behind the ejection port from brass impacts.  Aside from all this, the rifle has been babied and is a safe queen. What do you all think is a fair asking price? There are only 140 of these guns out there. They were $2400 new and it's obviously not worth that today. Oh, and I'm not interested in selling the E4 stock separately, even though that might be the best way to get my money out of everything. Some material had to be removed from the forward part of the stock to fit the AXR, and I don't want to take a chance on having it not fit right on someone's MSAR. Pics: 
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Well a couple hundred guns isn't really enough to establish a market value per-se. A "fair asking price" is just that, an asking price. There was recently one on gunbroker asking $3k with no bids, so that doesn't provide any data. It's essentially a clone, so upper limit will be what a real Aug cost (~$1,700?). It very well might be better built, nicer, etc. than an actual Aug, but a buyer wants an Aug. I'd say lower limit is probably what an MSAR E4 or whatever sells for. If this was not a clone it would have more curio value and the low production would be in its favor. It will be worth more to another AXR guy, of which there aren't many. As time passes it I would suspect its value may fade, particularly if the Aug stays in production.
I'd guess a fair asking price is something like ~$1,500 for the package if you want to generate interest and sell it reasonably quickly. Really though you could say "$2,000 OBO" and just wait it out. You won't get that but you'll get more offers before you sell. |
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I would love to keep it, but the fact is I haven't shot it in over a year. When I go to the range now, I'm practicing with either my carry gun or competition guns 99% of the time. I will always love the AUG design, but I can't keep it just to look at.
This gun is a shooter and it doesn't deserve to rot in the safe. Somebody else should enjoy it. 
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Looks like a guy tried unsuccessfully to sell one on Gunbroker back in January for $3000. Yeah, that guy obviously has no clue. I think $1500 is pretty reasonable. Dave (jagdkommando) was my hookup for all the MSAR parts. Thanks again man! |
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TPDUSA When are we going to see some new AUG stuff coming out of Oregon? What do you want to see? Kent Hi, Oregon Aug user here as well. Personally I would love to see a Austrian style rail for the flat top A3? |
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Receivers and 1/8 barrels, but barrels with 1/2x28 threading. Maybe a couple 14" barrels too... Quoted:
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TPDUSA When are we going to see some new AUG stuff coming out of Oregon? What do you want to see? Kent Receivers and 1/8 barrels, but barrels with 1/2x28 threading. Maybe a couple 14" barrels too... Our original AXR had 8 twist and 1/2x28 threading, I still have barrels and can make receivers if there is demand but the way we make receivers is far more expensive than cutting a casting... not sure market will support the cost. TPDUSA |
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How about some 1in7 barrels? I'd buy a 16" and 20" if it was a reasonable price We only ever made 8 twist. 7 and 9 twist would have been easier as they were of the shelf blanks. WHy do you want like 7 twist? Do you shoot long bullets? I could do some 14" I guess in 8 twist as that is what I have. Match grade is what we used and what I still have around. TPDUSA |
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WHy do you want like 7 twist? Do you shoot long bullets?TPDUSA Quoted:
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How about some 1in7 barrels? I'd buy a 16" and 20" if it was a reasonable price WHy do you want like 7 twist? Do you shoot long bullets?TPDUSA I want to hunt with the 70gr TSX bullets, they keyhole like crazy out of my 1in9 
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I want to hunt with the 70gr TSX bullets, they keyhole like crazy out of my 1in9 Quoted:
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How about some 1in7 barrels? I'd buy a 16" and 20" if it was a reasonable price WHy do you want like 7 twist? Do you shoot long bullets?TPDUSA I want to hunt with the 70gr TSX bullets, they keyhole like crazy out of my 1in9 Copy that. |
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We only ever made 8 twist. 7 and 9 twist would have been easier as they were of the shelf blanks. WHy do you want like 7 twist? Do you shoot long bullets? I could do some 14" I guess in 8 twist as that is what I have. Match grade is what we used and what I still have around. TPDUSA Quoted:
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How about some 1in7 barrels? I'd buy a 16" and 20" if it was a reasonable price We only ever made 8 twist. 7 and 9 twist would have been easier as they were of the shelf blanks. WHy do you want like 7 twist? Do you shoot long bullets? I could do some 14" I guess in 8 twist as that is what I have. Match grade is what we used and what I still have around. TPDUSA Anyone know what the market value is on an original 14" barrel? I haven't been able to get a lot of realistic data on them other than very few were brought in. |
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Anyone know what the market value is on an original 14" barrel? I haven't been able to get a lot of realistic data on them other than very few were brought in. Quoted:
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How about some 1in7 barrels? I'd buy a 16" and 20" if it was a reasonable price We only ever made 8 twist. 7 and 9 twist would have been easier as they were of the shelf blanks. WHy do you want like 7 twist? Do you shoot long bullets? I could do some 14" I guess in 8 twist as that is what I have. Match grade is what we used and what I still have around. TPDUSA Anyone know what the market value is on an original 14" barrel? I haven't been able to get a lot of realistic data on them other than very few were brought in. Call Pete Athens, he is the best source for that info. |
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So what do you think a 14" barrel should sell for? Quoted:
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14" barrel 1:7 or 1:8 please. So what do you think a 14" barrel should sell for? I can tell you the value of an Austrian 14" barrel that is genuinely new is close to $2000 right now. What was the value of a 16, 18 or 20" FN made barrel over Christmas? $385. Value of those barrels today are about $500. What would someone pay for a 14" barrel versus what what it should sell for is an interesting question. |
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I can tell you the value of an Austrian 14" barrel that is genuinely new is close to $2000 right now. What was the value of a 16, 18 or 20" FN made barrel over Christmas? $385. Value of those barrels today are about $500. What would someone pay for a 14" barrel versus what what it should sell for is an interesting question. Quoted:
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14" barrel 1:7 or 1:8 please. So what do you think a 14" barrel should sell for? I can tell you the value of an Austrian 14" barrel that is genuinely new is close to $2000 right now. What was the value of a 16, 18 or 20" FN made barrel over Christmas? $385. Value of those barrels today are about $500. What would someone pay for a 14" barrel versus what what it should sell for is an interesting question. I believe that would garner the same answer. $500 sounds good to me. |
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I remember seeing one on Gunbroker for ~$2100 a couple of years ago. Kent, caliber conversions would be cool. 300BLK would be more popular, but I'd be interested in a 6.8 barrel/bolt, if it were available. I was thinking that 300 BLK would be good. Need to get at least 150-200 units to make it happen |
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$500? Works with a "genuine" AUG? Standard 5/8x24 threading? I'm in! Richard Quoted:
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I was thinking that 300 BLK would be good. Need to get at least 150-200 units to make it happen $500? Works with a "genuine" AUG? Standard 5/8x24 threading? I'm in! Richard Yes, always 1/2x28, 8 twist, Stanang. 100% compatible. Never changed. Other manufacturers had various patterns before settling on what we had from the very beginning. Kent |
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Kent, caliber conversions would be cool. 300BLK would be more popular, but I'd be interested in a 6.8 barrel/bolt, if it were available. I'd likely be in for a ~14-14.5" (length should IMO be set to barrel length + typical suppressor adapter length = just over 16" for pinning..my AAC mount is shorter than the tulip). Caliber conversions are an interesting one, but would depend on price. .300BO and 6.5Grendel would both be of real interest to me. |
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I was thinking that 300 BLK would be good. Need to get at least 150-200 units to make it happen Quoted:
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I remember seeing one on Gunbroker for ~$2100 a couple of years ago. Kent, caliber conversions would be cool. 300BLK would be more popular, but I'd be interested in a 6.8 barrel/bolt, if it were available. I was thinking that 300 BLK would be good. Need to get at least 150-200 units to make it happen It would be compatible with the Steyr guns too, right? That would be important to having enough customers to be profitable. |
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It would be compatible with the Steyr guns too, right? That would be important to having enough customers to be profitable. Quoted:
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I remember seeing one on Gunbroker for ~$2100 a couple of years ago. Kent, caliber conversions would be cool. 300BLK would be more popular, but I'd be interested in a 6.8 barrel/bolt, if it were available. I was thinking that 300 BLK would be good. Need to get at least 150-200 units to make it happen It would be compatible with the Steyr guns too, right? That would be important to having enough customers to be profitable. Of course. Only with Steyr pattern rifles. |
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Do you have enough trunnions and gas blocks for 200 barrels? I have molds for all the parts on the gun. So yes and no. I can produce both in any quantity needed. I think I remember I have 50 or more barrels in the lockup. Not built up. I would not need trunions as the receivers have them and they would be the ones used with a shorter barrel or a caliber change we have bee discussing. Need to engineer the gas port is all. |
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Hmm not sure why I wrote "trunnion". But why not make a few receivers too? I have the ability to make receivers...given the style and complexity of the proccess they run at or near $1K Just thought I would add that it is a different animal all together to cut them from round stock as opposed to from a casting Kent |
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Kent, great to see you. Still have my AXR. Never has missed a beat. FYI, it worked great on coyotes. I kind of baby it now days though. Hate to tear up that work of art. 
Question. Do you recommend replacing the gas regulator? No problems so far. Regards Hey! I would run it until it had an issue. Many had no issues then we could not get them to hang together. Still have no clear reason why some were bad and others fine. |
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I don't know if I would pay $500 for a 14" barrel. I'm more tempted to cut down my FN 1:7 twist barrel and leave my used $350 Austrian 16" barrel as my long one, but I know the gas port is straight and not angled. If it functioned only with my suppressor attached 100% reliably, that would still be acceptable. I'd love to know beforehand though. Has anyone done this? |
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Hey! I would run it until it had an issue. Many had no issues then we could not get them to hang together. Still have no clear reason why some were bad and others fine. Quoted:
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Kent, great to see you. Still have my AXR. Never has missed a beat. FYI, it worked great on coyotes. I kind of baby it now days though. Hate to tear up that work of art.
Question. Do you recommend replacing the gas regulator? No problems so far. Regards Hey! I would run it until it had an issue. Many had no issues then we could not get them to hang together. Still have no clear reason why some were bad and others fine. Thanks Kent. Appreciate it! |
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A billet A2 AUG Reciever that would utilize the A2 removable scope and rail would be cool. New A3 M1 has these same choices (2 types of rails and 2 types of optics) but they're not compatible with the A2 options. Receiver isn't billet either, but.... I think it would be tough to build an A2 clone these days when the A3 M1 is out - it's not like there's a plethora of 1.5X A2 optics and rails floating around. (Well, Ok, the rails are relatively available, but not too many optics.) Just my $0.02. |
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