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Posted: 10/10/2012 8:44:38 PM EDT
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Spent some time shooting one today in semi and full auto. What a hunk of crap! The gun's crappiness is only eclipsed by the crappiness of the optic. Zero (0) eye relief. You have to hold your eyeball almost against the thing.
I feel sorry for our mates across the pond who have to field this thing. I know they've upgraded to the A2, but there's no fixing that thing. I wanted to play lawn darts with it when I was through. 
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The A2 is a much better rifle. I never liked the ergonomics and weight, but they do have a good reputation since being upgraded. You'll generally get very positive opinions of it from British servicemen. ...who have little basis for comparison. The lads definitely deserve better. |
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The A2 is a much better rifle. I never liked the ergonomics and weight, but they do have a good reputation since being upgraded. You'll generally get very positive opinions of it from British servicemen. ...who have little basis for comparison. The lads definitely deserve better. That's certainly not true of everybody and you'll even find several on this site that have plenty of experience with other rifles. Even if a soldier hasn't used many other weapons, they are still perfectly capable of working out that regular stoppages and parts failures will add up to a poor weapon. AR variants have been around for quite a long time in this country's military and now they are issuing 7.62 LMT rifles to designated marksmen. This combined with the many other countries they work with that issue AR variants must make some basis for comparison. Nobody seemed shy about knocking the A1 and the complaints ought to be endless if the A2 is such a poor weapon. You can always post in the UKHTF if you really want a qualified opinion on the rifle. |
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The A1 was a complete disaster and it took HK to straighten the problems and come up with the A2 varient that seems to have all the issues worked out. Even with the issues worked out the basic design leaves a lot to be desired, such as no provision for left handed users. They basically have to learn to shoot right handed! And the sights have gone through a few different designs and they are now using the ACOG sights. But, the British military are much like the US military, they do not give up on a design even if it is not good. They just through money at it until it is fixed
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I never liked the SA80 at all, much prefer the Steyr AUG for a bullpup. Heard the French are switching from their FAMAS to the AUG. I wonder if the British will switch to the AUG eventually also, heh I doubt it, the British prefer to use their own designs, even if they are not good  The FAL(L1A1) being an exception.
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I doubt it, the British prefer to use their own designs, even if they are not good The FAL(L1A1) being an exception.It's a mystery why they didn't opt for the AUG, although a few police forces did along with various commonwealth countries. Not sure it was even evaluated since they had basically been developing the SA80 before the AUG was first marketed. The A2 was tested against the AUG, FAMAS, M16 and a few other designs, and it apparently won. It should now be the end of the road for any further British designed and built assault rifles. I heard no further SA80s have been produced since the mid/late '90s. Not long till a replacement is considered, although with the cutbacks, who knows if it will be replaced. My money would be on the HK416. |
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I doubt it, the British prefer to use their own designs, even if they are not good The FAL(L1A1) being an exception.It's a mystery why they didn't opt for the AUG, although a few police forces did along with various commonwealth countries. Not sure it was even evaluated since they had basically been developing the SA80 before the AUG was first marketed. The A2 was tested against the AUG, FAMAS, M16 and a few other designs, and it apparently won. It should now be the end of the road for any further British designed and built assault rifles. I heard no further SA80s have been produced since the mid/late '90s. Not long till a replacement is considered, although with the cutbacks, who knows if it will be replaced. My money would be on the HK416. Isn't is amazing how, when military rifles are being evaluated, the one produced by the country doing the evaluation almost always wins? I wonder if the scoring system goes like: Accuracy= 1pt Reliability=1pt Durability=1pt Ergonomics=1pt Made here=10,000pts H |
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I doubt it, the British prefer to use their own designs, even if they are not good The FAL(L1A1) being an exception.It's a mystery why they didn't opt for the AUG, although a few police forces did along with various commonwealth countries. Not sure it was even evaluated since they had basically been developing the SA80 before the AUG was first marketed. The A2 was tested against the AUG, FAMAS, M16 and a few other designs, and it apparently won. It should now be the end of the road for any further British designed and built assault rifles. I heard no further SA80s have been produced since the mid/late '90s. Not long till a replacement is considered, although with the cutbacks, who knows if it will be replaced. My money would be on the HK416. Isn't is amazing how, when military rifles are being evaluated, the one produced by the country doing the evaluation almost always wins? I wonder if the scoring system goes like: Accuracy= 1pt Reliability=1pt Durability=1pt Ergonomics=1pt Made here=10,000pts H Its more of whose pocket you put those 10,000pts into if you know what I mean 
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I never liked the SA80 at all, much prefer the Steyr AUG for a bullpup. Heard the French are switching from their FAMAS to the AUG. I wonder if the British will switch to the AUG eventually also, heh I doubt it, the British prefer to use their own designs, even if they are not good The FAL(L1A1) being an exception.Brits did select the LMT 308 for their designated marksman rifle |
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I never liked the SA80 at all, much prefer the Steyr AUG for a bullpup. Heard the French are switching from their FAMAS to the AUG. I wonder if the British will switch to the AUG eventually also, heh I doubt it, the British prefer to use their own designs, even if they are not good The FAL(L1A1) being an exception.Brits did select the LMT 308 for their designated marksman rifle And the MAG-58 as their LMG, and the Hi-Power and later the SIG P226 as their service handgun... |
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I never liked the SA80 at all, much prefer the Steyr AUG for a bullpup. Heard the French are switching from their FAMAS to the AUG. I wonder if the British will switch to the AUG eventually also, heh I doubt it, the British prefer to use their own designs, even if they are not good The FAL(L1A1) being an exception.Brits did select the LMT 308 for their designated marksman rifle And the MAG-58 as their LMG, and the Hi-Power and later the SIG P226 as their service handgun... I was refering to their service rifle. The same can be said for the US, in terms of serivce rifles. Most countries seem to prefer to use an indigenous design for their service rifle. Even with pistols, up until about 1985 the US military still used the 1911, and the Marines have recenlty gone back to it. |
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I was refering to their service rifle. The same can be said for the US, in terms of serivce rifles. Most countries seem to prefer to use an indigenous design for their service rifle. Even with pistols, up until about 1985 the US military still used the 1911, and the Marines have recenlty gone back to it. Only certain specific Marine units have adopted the 1911, not all of them. I'm one of those that doesn't worship the .45 and thinks moving on to something with more capacity was a good idea. |
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I was refering to their service rifle. The same can be said for the US, in terms of serivce rifles. Most countries seem to prefer to use an indigenous design for their service rifle. Even with pistols, up until about 1985 the US military still used the 1911, and the Marines have recenlty gone back to it. Only certain specific Marine units have adopted the 1911, not all of them. I'm one of those that doesn't worship the .45 and thinks moving on to something with more capacity was a good idea. I have to agree that the limited capacity of the 1911 is a weakness, particularly when there are plenty of high capacity .45 pistols out there. |
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