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Posted: 4/11/2012 5:36:07 PM EDT
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I have owned both but sold or traded them at huge profit, and i'm currently saving money to buy one or the other. I haven't decided which yet
I didn't have a clear preference for one over the other. I liked the ergos and the form better on the MSAR but the hugely decreased size of the PS90 speaks to me which ever i get will be my one and only SHTF go to defensive rifle and will also see use as a HD weapon Which ever i get, i'll have 1k rounds of ammo for it, so i'm less concerned about being able to find ammo which would give the MSAR a clear edge (223 is everwhere) please advise me which you'd choose and why |
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I have owned both but sold or traded them at huge profit, and i'm currently saving money to buy one or the other. I haven't decided which yet I didn't have a clear preference for one over the other. I liked the ergos and the form better on the MSAR but the hugely decreased size of the PS90 speaks to me which ever i get will be my one and only SHTF go to defensive rifle and will also see use as a HD weapon Which ever i get, i'll have 1k rounds of ammo for it, so i'm less concerned about being able to find ammo which would give the MSAR a clear edge (223 is everwhere) please advise me which you'd choose and why MSAR w/o question due to greater flexibility. 1. greater choice of 223 loading 2. greater range 3. modularity: swap upper 4. get an E4 stock and work with NATO/AR mag 5. with standard stock, use AUG mag |
| I agree with the above folks that given your question it really turns into which caliber of rifle you prefer for your use... In that case, the 5.56/.223 would be my choice as well. If the PS90 was available in 5.56/.223, now that would be an interesting question.... |
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there is a good probability that, if i go with the PS90, i'm going to SBR it eventually then possibly fit it for a suppressor. FNH classifies their subsonic SS193 as "restricted" and I don't think you'll find it that easy to get.  Obviously, you don't have shoot subsonic ammo, but still.
I think I've learned the hard way through experience that exotic rounds are great sometimes, but the expense of shooting them just means less range time with the weapon. If you're going with something you want to get more than recreational use out of than it's hard to beat a weapon chambered in 5.56x45mm. I mean I've got nothing against guys owning guns for "fun" or as part of collection, in fact I think that's awesome, but sounds like you're leaning more toward home defense/social work for this weapon. Plus, you're talking about limited effective range with the 5.7x28mm. It's really a niche caliber and not a general purpose one. Get both if you can, but if you can only get one get the MSAR. |
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Try something new. Hold out for a Tavor. You'll be holding out a long time if you don't want to pay scalper prices for them. If they come out even close to the election...oh man, they're going to be expensive. I'm going to wait for the insane gotta have it types to get theirs so the thing comes down to MSRP or below. |
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If you aren't on the thread. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_43/280158_Charles_Daly_working_with_IMI_to_produce_a_US_TAVOR___PICS_INSIDE___Confirmed_By_C_D_Mr_K_inside_.html The announcement and speculation start somewhere between between 65-75, prior to that it's all praying and wishing. Quoted: is there any indication that tavors will be out soon? |
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there is a good probability that, if i go with the PS90, i'm going to SBR it eventually then possibly fit it for a suppressor. FNH classifies their subsonic SS193 as "restricted" and I don't think you'll find it that easy to get. Obviously, you don't have shoot subsonic ammo, but still.
I think I've learned the hard way through experience that exotic rounds are great sometimes, but the expense of shooting them just means less range time with the weapon. If you're going with something you want to get more than recreational use out of than it's hard to beat a weapon chambered in 5.56x45mm. I mean I've got nothing against guys owning guns for "fun" or as part of collection, in fact I think that's awesome, but sounds like you're leaning more toward home defense/social work for this weapon. Plus, you're talking about limited effective range with the 5.7x28mm. It's really a niche caliber and not a general purpose one. Get both if you can, but if you can only get one get the MSAR. The subsonic 5.7 is entirely unnecessary with a can. Even though it breaks the sound barrier, it is nothing like 5.56. I dont consider 5.56 to be hearing safe with any suppressor, but I can blast away with my PS90 SBR and not even flinch at the noise. I havent measured it, but I would have to say suppressed supersonic 5.7 is 7-10 db quieter than suppressed supersonic 5.56. I have an STG and its a blast to shoot, but given the problems with Microtech, I cant say I would rather have that than my SBR'd PS90. To the OP, if you intend to suppress your rifle, the PS90 wins out, no question. Much less blowback/gas face, much better performance, much smaller package. Having said that, the two rifles are so much different from one another that its an apples and oranges type situation. Neither rifle does everything the other rifle does. I personally would not be happy with only one. Its no different than arguing sports car vs. pickup truck. Each has its own benefits. |
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I have both. I love my bullpups. But if I have to sell one, it will be the MSAR. If nothing else, because parts might become scarce down the road. I like bullpups because of their compact size, and no rifle does it better than the PS90.
If MSARs become scarce, there's always the 5.56 FS2000. |
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If you're going to have one and only one weapon for SHTF and HD, get an AR15. If nothing else just for cheap, plentyiful parts and mags to stock up on.
Otherwise, I'm gonna case my vote for the PS90. Ammo maybe little more difficult to find, but it's no more expensive really than high quality, compariable .223 ammo ( 50rd of SS197SR v. 20rd of .223 Vmax around here cost the same ). Here's some of the points that I personally like: shorter ( especially when SBR'ed ) smaller, more streamline/compact body 50rd mags right or left handed friendly Don't get me wrong - I really like both! But I have AR's in 5.56/223 that would be my go-to gun over my AUG A2, but if I couldn't get to an AR I'd still feel comforted with a PS90 - cause if SHTF I won't be engaging targets at ranges further than the 5.7 would destroy if even remotely possible. |
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5.7 ammo has been almost the exact same price for the past 3 years I've been buying it unless I missed something in the past few days. Goes for about $21/50. That being said, I owned a PS90 and sold it and still have an MSAR. Something to be said about using AR mags and ammo.
The main reason I sold the PS90 was it had the white ring sight and it SUCKED so bad I never took the gun to the range and if I did keep it I was going to have to SBR it. Quoted:
As much as I love the PS90 (my first bullpup), for possible "serious social use" I'd take 5.56x45 over 5.7x28 any day of the week, not to mention 5.7 ammo is very pricey now. Tomac |
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The main reason I sold the PS90 was it had the white ring sight and it SUCKED so bad I never took the gun to the range and if I did keep it I was going to have to SBR it. The Rem-T3 changed the white sight ring from the worst to the best feature of my PS90. I have an Eotech on my other PS90 and I honestly prefer the factory white optic with the Rem T3 on it. The PS90 is super handy, especially when SBR'd, and it suppresses well. If you're not going down the NFA path, or you need a good SHTF rifle for suburban situations, I'd go with something in 5.56 before 5.7, but I'd probably prefer the FS2k to the MSAR. For just fun shooting out in the desert, though, the PS90 gets the nod every time. |
I agree with the others. If just one platform, in the bullpup configuration, is what you're after then an MSAR or FS2000 is a great choice. I liked the MSAR because I could purchase the left hand bolt (I shoot long arms southpaw style) and fire in comfortably...the FS2000 ejects forward of the weapon and the PS90 ejects downward. The PS90 SBRed is definitely a crowd pleaser and I wouldn't feel under gunned in a home environment with it. The two 5.56 weapons have a 1/8 and 1/7 twist barrel so they'll support the heavy rounds with a nod to the MSARs 1/8 twist barrel supporting 55s and up a little better.
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