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Posted: 3/21/2009 7:16:34 PM EDT
| I know the AXR uses some imported parts. My question is whether the mag components (follower, body, floorplate) help make the count on AXR's. Sesame Street style: Can I legally use an HK mag? I'm still waiting for my AXR but I think it's a good question for present and future owners. Thanks. |
That blows. I have assloads of GI mags and some Pmags, but I do like the HK mags.
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Indeed, in the several emails that we tossed back and forth before I got my rifle, Kent mentioned that they're ramping up to produce as many parts here in the US as they can.
Also, and I'm not advocating this, but how many people that you run into are going to tear your rifle down and count each part by country of origin? This isn't a very common weapon, so there are few who know anything about it in any amount of detail. I just got mine and the SN on the receiver is in the 01XX range. That being said, never ever EVER insert that HK mag into your AXR when you get it, or Bruce Willis will show up with a SWAT team in a bunch of helicopters and arrest you for your crime against the people. |
| Pmags are great and I really like how smooth they function. That being said, Unlike some people, I'm not going to replace all of my mags with Pmags. If they were like Glocks and have been around for 25+ years I would buy more. The HK mags haven't been out that long either but they are metal. I have seen far too many plastic parts break after time has passed. I know the Pmags are polymer but I don't know how they will hold up over time. If my platsic stock breaks I can resort to some pretty ghetto methods in order to still be able to use my weapon. I'm sure I could use a little 3rd world ingenuity and fabricate metal replacements for some parts. I don't think I will be able to repair a Pmag if a feed lip breaks off or make a mag from scratch. The use of metal mags that I already own was the deciding factor in choosing the AXR over the MSAR. |
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If you want to stick with metal mags, I would replace the followers in them with MagPul anti-tilt followers (3/$6 or so) and function test them all. If you're saving them for SHTF situation, I would store them unloaded as well. I have a ton of metal AR mags and I've done this with most of them.
When firing AR's in the military and in the civilian world, the biggest problems that I've had is that the followers get jammed up or the feed lips are out of spec. The magazines are the weakest part of the whole AR platform, and MagPul magazines go a long way in terms of fixing that problem, but I can understand your concern over how to repair them. |
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Because when you're in combat, you let the mag drop on the ground while you frantically grab another to slam into the weapon. When you've gone through all your mags with a standard combat load, you don't have any extra rounds to reload them with because all the rounds you had were already in mags. You can get new mags back at camp or wherever, they aren't sensitive items and the military keeps spares. You don't see many guys in Iraq with mag dump pouches because they wouldn't use them. If they've got time to carefully reload, that mag is getting stuffed in a cargo pocket or somewhere else.
Granted, you should be picking them back up when the situation permits, but in the mean time they could have been stepped on or driven over, buried, mortared, stolen, etc. |
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And so it begins.... The great mag debate. Someone pops in with a Pmag comment, I respond and the debate is on.
Spart: Thanks for the advice. All my GI mags have Magpul followers and are stored unloaded. I have some loaded mags in the rifles and a few loaded spares. All of my ammo is on stripper clips so loading more won't take long. Sgtlmj: Thanks for the reply. I know mags are considered disposable. I have left quite a few on the ground in Iraq because I knew that when I got back to the FOB, I could get more. My concern is a future where mags are inaccesible to civilians. If there is a serious SHTF situation and I come out on top, the battlefield is mine, I can grab all the weapons, ammo and mags I need when the carnage is over. If i'm dead, I don't need to worry about resupply. I simply prefer a metal mag over plastic because I know metal won't dry rot and crumble apart. Jasonblkz06: Again, thanks for the response. I own a couple Cproducts STS mags and I'm not impressed by them. They sound great in theory, but the two I have needed some serious tweaking in order for them to function. These were purchased a couple years ago and maybe QC has picked up. I do like the Lancers and Pmags but I love metal mags. Thanks for all the replys guys. I don't intend to sound like a dick so please take no offense to my comments. |
I have used JB weld for a few repairs as a mechanic. It works great for some purposes but I wouldn't trust it to repair a feed lip. It doesn't like to be that thin. I had some mags during the ban that I tried repairing with fiberglass resin, various epoxies and JB weld. Most were for my 10/22. None of them were a permanent fix. Some attempts didn't work at all and others I didn't trust to hold up. I had some Cobray zytel mags with worn out feedlips and used Inserts from Lage to repair them. I also had a few that split at the seams and actually used hose clamps to hold them together. Now thats ghetto . I remember the issues I had during the first ban and have decided on metal mags. I have much more faith in my welding skills than my plastic repair skills. I do own and love Pmags. I just don't want to resort to the same half assed billy bob repairs in the future because I don't have metal alternatives.
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And so it begins.... The great mag debate. Someone pops in with a Pmag comment, I respond and the debate is on. Spart: Thanks for the advice. All my GI mags have Magpul followers and are stored unloaded. I have some loaded mags in the rifles and a few loaded spares. All of my ammo is on stripper clips so loading more won't take long. Sgtlmj: Thanks for the reply. I know mags are considered disposable. I have left quite a few on the ground in Iraq because I knew that when I got back to the FOB, I could get more. My concern is a future where mags are inaccesible to civilians. If there is a serious SHTF situation and I come out on top, the battlefield is mine, I can grab all the weapons, ammo and mags I need when the carnage is over. If i'm dead, I don't need to worry about resupply. I simply prefer a metal mag over plastic because I know metal won't dry rot and crumble apart. Jasonblkz06: Again, thanks for the response. I own a couple Cproducts STS mags and I'm not impressed by them. They sound great in theory, but the two I have needed some serious tweaking in order for them to function. These were purchased a couple years ago and maybe QC has picked up. I do like the Lancers and Pmags but I love metal mags. Thanks for all the replys guys. I don't intend to sound like a dick so please take no offense to my comments. You need to send those mags back to C Products. The ones I have work just as reliably as the Lancers and PMAGs. They stand behind their magazines. I also have a 6.5 G and a 5.45x39 AR and have to use their mags in those 2 calibers. They work perfectly! My fav mag for the 5.56x45 has to be the Lancer though. |
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I have used JB weld for a few repairs as a mechanic. It works great for some purposes but I wouldn't trust it to repair a feed lip. It doesn't like to be that thin. I had some mags during the ban that I tried repairing with fiberglass resin, various epoxies and JB weld. Most were for my 10/22. None of them were a permanent fix. Some attempts didn't work at all and others I didn't trust to hold up. I had some Cobray zytel mags with worn out feedlips and used Inserts from Lage to repair them. I also had a few that split at the seams and actually used hose clamps to hold them together. Now thats ghetto. I remember the issues I had during the first ban and have decided on metal mags. I have much more faith in my welding skills than my plastic repair skills. I do own and love Pmags. I just don't want to resort to the same half assed billy bob repairs in the future because I don't have metal alternatives.I was actually joking. Broke mags get their guts salvaged, then go in the trash. |
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