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Posted: 3/9/2009 4:34:35 PM EDT
| My STG-556 has a trigger pull around 11+ pounds. Is this normal? |
| I believe I read in another thread that dry firing was fine. I think the comment was by an MSAR employee and to the effect of dry fire all you want to, no problem. My trigger is pretty good, much better than I had expected. It is a recently manufactured Gen IV. |
| I did some dry firing and got in some range time today and the trigger is slacking up and getting lighter. I think it just needed to be broken in a bit. In spite of the heavy pull I was getting 2" groups at 25 yards offhand with an EOTech sight. What a great pup! |
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I have one of the Limited editions and the trigger is pretty gritty and stiff. I have JP triggers in all of my AR's and I just figured the design of the STG made for a stiff trigger. I sure wish I could do something about it now. If you are used to a JP trigger than any bullpup trigger is going to feel like crap to you. I've seen this before. I have a friend who shoots ALOT of USPSA with an open class Para Ordnance widebody in .38 Super. The trigger is so sweet, its just amazing to shoot that gun. Less than 3 pounds and no takeup. He shoots tens of thousands of rounds through it each year. Awhile back he decided to shoot his "truck defense gun", a single stack Colt 1991, just to make sure it still worked and whatnot. Hadn't shot it in a couple of years. At first he thought something was wrong with it because the trigger would not depress. He was so used to the Para's custom trigger that his mind had to "reboot" to shoot the Colt factory trigger. He thought the grip safety was screwed up or something–– no, it just has the usual factory Colt 1991 seven pound trigger pull. I told him he needed to shoot his work gun a little bit more, it would suck to get into a defensive shooting situation with a perfectly good .45 and literally not be able to pull the trigger because he hadn't been behind anything but a match trigger in months. Not that his grip strength sucks, oh no, he has a grip like an angry baboon. But mentally he just wasn't used to putting more than 3 lbs of pressure on a trigger anymore. |
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My trigger is typical of a bullpup but not too bad. Just ordered a Trigger Tamer the other day, hopefully it works as advertised.
http://www.triggertamer.com/ |
| the trigger is one of the few things about the STG I genuinely dislike. I absolutely HATE the trigger on mine. Maybe I'm just spoiled by my ARs and M1As, but the STG trigger is absolute poop compared to both of them and IMO really holds back the potential accuracy of the rifle. I find it VERY hard to make a good smooth trigger pull with this rifle. |
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In my honest opinion National Match AR triggers and all the various high-speed drop in triggers for AR's are overrated. Ask Larry Vickers or Traves Haley about AR triggers and both will tell ya that one of the common parts to fail are these after market triggers during carbine courses where you're placing anywhere from 1,000 to 2,000 rounds in the course of three days.
What you have to do is learn how to manipulate the STG 556 trigger. Once you learn where the break point is to the trigger and the proper reset travel of it you'll be able to use it in a consistent manner that will lead to better accuracy and a higher rate of fire. So many people will say "well I don't like bullpup triggers because they're heavy." For me, it's not the weight of pull it's the length of pull and the reset that's important. Once you've got those two things down to muscle memory you're good-to-go, but it does take some thought and time to work it to a point where someone watching you would have no clue about the overtravel issues. All and all the STG trigger is if not the best bullpup trigger on the market certainly a contender. The reset of many bullpups is honestly not that great and with one certain brand of bullpup rifles I've found myself having to trigger slap them in order to get them to reset fast enough whereas with the STG 556 I'm not doing that. In the end the rifle is designed to place lead on target at a combat intermediate range. That's why it doesn't have a free float barrel or light pull national match trigger. It's a rifle based on an infantry weapon system and although there are things I believe could be done and have been done by some to improve the trigger it's not bad as it is stock. |
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I pulled my Tan Limited edition out of the safe and went shooting over the weekend. Either I am getting used to the trigger or it lightening up.
Still heavy, but it breaks clean and didn't throw me off target. I now have about 500 rounds down the barrel since I had MSAR fix a failure to feed problem. I haven't tried to print it on paper yet. Need a day at the range when there is not a crowd. Still waiting on the 6.8 conversion. |
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I pulled my Tan Limited edition out of the safe and went shooting over the weekend. Either I am getting used to the trigger or it lightening up. Still heavy, but it breaks clean and didn't throw me off target. I now have about 500 rounds down the barrel since I had MSAR fix a failure to feed problem. I haven't tried to print it on paper yet. Need a day at the range when there is not a crowd. Still waiting on the 6.8 conversion. Please folks, if you want a 6.8 SPC conversion kit email MSAR. MSAR will do one if they get enough folks emailing them requesting one, but right now I have a feeling it is taking a back seat to more popular requests. I am highly interested myself in a 6.8 SPC Conversion. I understand that this is probably going to be something that will follow the STG-556E4 since the will be zero mag issue with the AR 6.8 mags being already available. |
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