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Posted: 2/15/2017 6:38:49 PM EDT
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I purchased a 1 pound can of US 869 powder roughly 7-8 months ago in anticipation of loading a custom rifle in 26 Nosler once it was built.
I finally opened the can a couple days ago and noticed this: 
I just got off the phone with Hodgdon about it. Let me say unequivocally that their CS is first rate; they are sending me a pound to replace this one. This is the lot number in question: 
On that note, the CS rep said that the powder has been out for 2 years with no reports of contamination and he suspected the distributor, dealer or I had contaminated it. I can state, also unequivocally, that neither I nor my dealer opened and intermingled powders; I can't and won't speak for the distributor. If anyone has encountered this, please call Hodgdon at 913-362-9455 option 1. |
| Was the the anti-tamper seal underneath the lid still intact? If it was I would have told the Hodgdons dude to pound sand. What possible motive would you have for messing with your own powder? Just to get a free pound of powder. Send the old can back to them "postage due". |
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Was the the anti-tamper seal underneath the lid still intact? If it was I would have told the Hodgdons dude to pound sand. What possible motive would you have for messing with your own powder? Just to get a free pound of powder. Send the old can back to them "postage due". Every time I open a powder, even if it is only a couple days since the last time I used it, the seal seems to have resealed itself to the bottle top, so I would hardly call that an indicator that I or anyone else hasn't previously opened the container. I doubt Hodgon was saying he maliciously messed with his own powder, but given the steps I am sure they take to prevent such a thing, it is probably more likely that someone else did mess with powder between the factory and the end user. What if, without the shop's knowledge, someone opened a can of ball powder and a can of extruded powder and poured some in the caps so they could see the difference and mixed the two up when they closed the bottles back up? There are probably dozens of scenarios for how this occurred, and I bet 99% of them would occur after the product left the factory. |
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Was the the anti-tamper seal underneath the lid still intact? If it was I would have told the Hodgdons dude to pound sand. What possible motive would you have for messing with your own powder? Just to get a free pound of powder. Send the old can back to them "postage due". Unless you've taken the two day HAZMAT Shipping course and shelled out the $700-$800 for the certification, you're not shipping powder anywhere. |
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Every time I open a powder, even if it is only a couple days since the last time I used it, the seal seems to have resealed itself to the bottle top, so I would hardly call that an indicator that I or anyone else hasn't previously opened the container. I doubt Hodgon was saying he maliciously messed with his own powder, but given the steps I am sure they take to prevent such a thing, it is probably more likely that someone else did mess with powder between the factory and the end user. What if, without the shop's knowledge, someone opened a can of ball powder and a can of extruded powder and poured some in the caps so they could see the difference and mixed the two up when they closed the bottles back up? There are probably dozens of scenarios for how this occurred, and I bet 99% of them would occur after the product left the factory. Quoted:
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Was the the anti-tamper seal underneath the lid still intact? If it was I would have told the Hodgdons dude to pound sand. What possible motive would you have for messing with your own powder? Just to get a free pound of powder. Send the old can back to them "postage due". Every time I open a powder, even if it is only a couple days since the last time I used it, the seal seems to have resealed itself to the bottle top, so I would hardly call that an indicator that I or anyone else hasn't previously opened the container. I doubt Hodgon was saying he maliciously messed with his own powder, but given the steps I am sure they take to prevent such a thing, it is probably more likely that someone else did mess with powder between the factory and the end user. What if, without the shop's knowledge, someone opened a can of ball powder and a can of extruded powder and poured some in the caps so they could see the difference and mixed the two up when they closed the bottles back up? There are probably dozens of scenarios for how this occurred, and I bet 99% of them would occur after the product left the factory. He wasn't 'accusing' me- more on the lines with the above. I told him the tamper seal was intact, but H53 said, that doesn't mean much after sitting around for awhile. I am confident no one at at my club (where I bought it) messed with it as the procurement guy is anal about people dicking with powder and primers. I am happy with the way things turned out; I posted here to alert folks so they can aware of it, not to start any rows. As I said in the OP, their CS is first-rate. He offered a new can right from the beginning with no prompting from me and told me to toss the powder I had. I offered to send it back (I have a source than can ship haz-mat), but he declined. |
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Several years ago the firearms manager at our local Gander Mountain gave me 10 or so pounds of powder to use in my Fire Behavior and other fire service training classes. They had observed people on camera opening the containers and mixing them on their sales floor. I'm still using these for burn demos, The way the seals work on those containers, I'm not sure if you could tell if they have been tampered with or not.
I only buy from my LGS now for reloading. I know they have good and untampered with powder. Their stock is where they can watch it. |
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Hodgdon/IMR/Winchester powders do not have a tamper seal, the 'seal' is a pressure based barrier that acts as a defense against moisture, preserving the integrity and shelf life of the powder. What you have just described is still a seal. And mine state, "SEALED FOR YOUR PROTECTION" on them. |
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They had observed people on camera opening the containers and mixing them on their sales floor. This is a crime. At the very least, it destroys the powder as a product. That it is surreptitiously done implies an intent to cause harm to the fire arms and the reloader and those around them on the firing line. I wonder how many KABOOMs have occurred as a consequence of this criminal mixing powders. |
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Several years ago the firearms manager at our local Gander Mountain gave me 10 or so pounds of powder to use in my Fire Behavior and other fire service training classes. They had observed people on camera opening the containers and mixing them on their sales floor. I'm still using these for burn demos, The way the seals work on those containers, I'm not sure if you could tell if they have been tampered with or not. I only buy from my LGS now for reloading. I know they have good and untampered with powder. Their stock is where they can watch it. How messed up is that?? There's some evil motherfkers out there. 
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| I remember my Dad and I were shopping at an old store in Portland, OR about 30 years ago and my Dad caught a guy mixing powders, they ended up calling the police and he went to jail for something like 10 years for product tampering with intent to cause harm, it was a felony even back then in OR. |
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