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Posted: 4/10/2015 10:24:26 PM EDT
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I can't find those bullets on their web-site, got a link to them?
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/reloading/bullets/rifle-bullets/30-caliber-308.html?p=2 Have you measured the diameter of these bullets? What did you find? |
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Palmetto Projectiles Here is the link to the projectiles I'm using. The bullets are consistent at .3085-.3090. They are listed to be .310 diameter so that seems to be normal for cast projectiles. They are made specifically for 300 blk. Or at least their load data is for 300 blk.
It took me two months just to find H4198. AA1680 is so hard to find around here. It's such a bummer this didn't work out. Also, they are loaded very short. The COL is 1.97" per their load data. |
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"Flake off", where? The little flakes are unburnt powder. The coating on the bullets seems intact, it is the soft lead bullet which is damaged, taking the coating with it. Quoted:
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NOT normal for the coating to flake off like that. At least on coating I've used. Another faster powder that has been available locally is IMR 4227. Might try that. I agree 4198 and short barrel are not going to work. "Flake off", where? The little flakes are unburnt powder. The coating on the bullets seems intact, it is the soft lead bullet which is damaged, taking the coating with it. I don't know why but it always cracks me up when people post without actually reading the OP. I'm pretty upset that I didn't grab some 4227. I was hoping this powder would be good for my ar15. I guess I will have to use in mainly in my handi rifle 300blk. |
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Their load data ws developed using THEIR rifles/chambers. Ummm... duh Your rifles/chambers are likely different. Measure the OAL for each of your rifles and use that, not the OAL they posted in their generic load data. This is one of the basic tenants of reloading. I've been reloading for years. This is my first experience with cast bullets. This is the reason I asked if it was normal. According to the guys on 300blktalk.com this is normal for this projectile. But I may load it shorter for my HR 300 BLK anyway. The AR15 300 blk probably wont cycle if I load them shorter Can you address the question I asked about cartridge/bullet concentricity? .3085-.3090. The cartridge was the exact same length as a cartridge that wasn't loaded. I don't mean to be an arse but there is no need to talk to me like I'm a child. Quoted:
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Palmetto Projectiles Here is the link to the projectiles I'm using. The bullets are consistent at .3085-.3090. They are listed to be .310 diameter so that seems to be normal for cast projectiles. They are made specifically for 300 blk. Or at least their load data is for 300 blk. It took me two months just to find H4198. AA1680 is so hard to find around here. It's such a bummer this didn't work out. Also, they are loaded very short. The COL is 1.97" per their load data. Their load data ws developed using THEIR rifles/chambers. Ummm... duh Your rifles/chambers are likely different. Measure the OAL for each of your rifles and use that, not the OAL they posted in their generic load data. This is one of the basic tenants of reloading. I've been reloading for years. This is my first experience with cast bullets. This is the reason I asked if it was normal. According to the guys on 300blktalk.com this is normal for this projectile. But I may load it shorter for my HR 300 BLK anyway. The AR15 300 blk probably wont cycle if I load them shorter Can you address the question I asked about cartridge/bullet concentricity? .3085-.3090. The cartridge was the exact same length as a cartridge that wasn't loaded. I don't mean to be an arse but there is no need to talk to me like I'm a child. |
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rfoese, we don't know you here and have no way of knowing your reloading experience. Keep your answers polite or your thread will get locked. In case you don't know the rules here, SPECIFIC TO THE TECH FORUMS The tech forums (Ar15,AK47,Handgun,Armory,Training,Outdoors) are more "formal" and actions permitted in the GD forum aren't permitted there. These forums are there to share information and as a result, trolling, heated arguments,insulting others,etc won't be ignored. dryflash3 |
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Sounds good dryflash. I don't mean any disrespect. I just don't understand why certain people feel the need to talk down to others. In no way was I talking down to you. I was asking questions and trying to establishing a common frame of reference, a common context. I was trying to help. You still have not answered the concentricity question or answered whether you have the headspace gages. I'm not sure you understand what I'm asking. But rather than pursue the issues, I think I will just back out of your thread. Enjoy and be safe. |
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In no way was I talking down to you. I was asking questions and trying to establishing a common frame of reference, a common context. I was trying to help. You still have not answered the concentricity question or answered whether you have the headspace gages. I'm not sure you understand what I'm asking. But rather than pursue the issues, I think I will just back out of your thread. Enjoy and be safe. Quoted:
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Sounds good dryflash. I don't mean any disrespect. I just don't understand why certain people feel the need to talk down to others. In no way was I talking down to you. I was asking questions and trying to establishing a common frame of reference, a common context. I was trying to help. You still have not answered the concentricity question or answered whether you have the headspace gages. I'm not sure you understand what I'm asking. But rather than pursue the issues, I think I will just back out of your thread. Enjoy and be safe. Are you talking about whether the ogive of the bullet is consistent? Diameter? What type of concentricity issue are you talking about? I have an L.E. Wilson Case Length Headspace Gage I am using. |
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I don't know why but it always cracks me up when people post without actually reading the OP. I'm pretty upset that I didn't grab some 4227. I was hoping this powder would be good for my ar15. I guess I will have to use in mainly in my handi rifle 300blk. Quoted:
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NOT normal for the coating to flake off like that. At least on coating I've used. Another faster powder that has been available locally is IMR 4227. Might try that. I agree 4198 and short barrel are not going to work. "Flake off", where? The little flakes are unburnt powder. The coating on the bullets seems intact, it is the soft lead bullet which is damaged, taking the coating with it. I don't know why but it always cracks me up when people post without actually reading the OP. I'm pretty upset that I didn't grab some 4227. I was hoping this powder would be good for my ar15. I guess I will have to use in mainly in my handi rifle 300blk. Sorry, I shouldn't have said "flaking" off. I understand the flakes were unburned powder. But a good bullet coating will gouge into the lead without separating from it. |
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The issue you're having is caused by runout, which is evident by the case sitting slightly over in your gauge. Some people have this issue and some don't. The best way to resolve it is a different seating die. We highly recommend the Forster seating die, as it works exceptionally well at seating the bullet concentrically. A better seating die will prevent the bullet from scraping the chamber and resolve your issue. You're actually having this issue with other projectiles too, but it's not evident because of either their ogives or they use a driving band. Switching up to a seating die that works better will likely end up in your ammo being a little more accurate. We have 3 super 1050s and 2 can use any seating die you can think of just fine and one only runs with the forster. We're about to start sizing down to .309 from .310 so that will help a little too.
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| I saw the same thing when I had lead build up in leade.i am using Lucky 13 coated bullets. Lead buildup hasn't been a problem since I started lubing bullets with Lee Alox before loading. About powder residue, 4198 is to slow. I have good results with IMR4227 and standard primers, WSR or CCI400. |
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