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Posted: 9/3/2014 3:52:50 PM EDT
I have 2 different profile LSWCs so I assume I can't go off published OAL for seating. I've read to seat until .005 of the shoulder is above the case mouth. That sound right? I've been reloading for a few years but I am trying lead due to cost. I was very happy with the 230 gr LRN but the SWCs are cheaper yet and I have 1500 I got in a trade. All are MBC except for 100(green lube in pic).
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OAL can be pistol specific. What pistol are you loading for? My 1911's like 1.24 to 1.250 RN or SWC's. Loading for 1911s. My reloading manual calls for a OAL of 1.200 for the 230 gr RN and they ran great out of two of my 1911s. It calls for a 1.225 for the SWC but that is going to be a different depth for the two bullet profiles in the picture. Do you think 1.200 is too deep for the RN? Thanks a lot. |
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Only 45's I shoot are 1911's and I use 185LSWC and 200LSWC as to OAL I seat to a thumb nail thickness of the band above the case mouth works in all of mine and all of my buddies guns, I do use the left style not the button on the right The bullet on the right is from a 100 round sample pack and I doubt I will buy them again. I really like the MBC bullets and they are driving distance from me if I'm bored and have a free day. |
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With a LSWC OAL isn't what you need to be concerned with. Just seat the bullet so about a thumbnail thickness of the shoulder is above the case mouth. +1 This is good advice. I had the same issue with some 45 acp LSWC and came to he same solution after some headaches. |
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I have 2 different profile LSWCs so I assume I can't go off published OAL for seating. I've read to seat until .005 of the shoulder is above the case mouth. That sound right? I've been reloading for a few years but I am trying lead due to cost. I was very happy with the 230 gr LRN but the SWCs are cheaper yet and I have 1500 I got in a trade. All are MBC except for 100(green lube in pic). http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx257/scpd755/BDBCDC6F-4424-4390-8980-B23FCEFADA11.jpg With my dies, the same setting seats both bullets above correctly. You want the same amount of shoulder above the case. A similar charge will work well for both. Load em up, and get to the range. |
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Quoted: With a LSWC OAL isn't what you need to be concerned with. Just seat the bullet so about a thumbnail thickness of the shoulder is above the case mouth.  Should look something like this. The shorter bullet will look like this also, but the OAL will be shorter. |
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Be sure to check that it feeds in your barrel. I use a gauge but many use their barrel. Look up an image of what the round is supposed look like in the barrel mouth. If the bullet is seated long the shoulder will jam into the chamber at the lands and the slide will not go fully into battery. It will also cause lead to build up there. Only bell the case mouth as much as necessary to allow the bullet to sit in the case mouth without shaving lead when seating. Only crimp enough to remove the belling. Either measure with a caliper- several times, or use the gauge/barrel. If it isn't crimped enough it won't feed. If you crimp too tightly you can end up with a loose bullet in the case. The crimping can squeeze the brass into the lead- the brass will spring back a little but the lead won't. I had a problem once with a too tight crimp actually squeezing the bullet deeper in the case. My bullets were seated a little too deep and that plus the tight crimp left me with varying OALs. It was very visible. FWIW I load a 200gr LSWC with 4.5gr of WST. It is a very accurate load. It is about 850fps and recoil isn't a problem. |
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<a href="http://s250.photobucket.com/user/dryflash3/media/Ammo/PC310685.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg272/dryflash3/Ammo/PC310685.jpg</a> Should look something like this. The shorter bullet will look like this also, but the OAL will be shorter. Quoted:
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With a LSWC OAL isn't what you need to be concerned with. Just seat the bullet so about a thumbnail thickness of the shoulder is above the case mouth. <a href="http://s250.photobucket.com/user/dryflash3/media/Ammo/PC310685.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg272/dryflash3/Ammo/PC310685.jpg</a> Should look something like this. The shorter bullet will look like this also, but the OAL will be shorter. Amazing the useful info you can get from this place when you stay out of GD!  this is exactly what I was looking for, thanks!
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While we are here my Hodgdon Book says load 230gr LRN to a OAL of 1.200. I loaded 50 and they cycled and grouped great out of both 1911s. After this thread I looked at my Hornady book and it gave a OAL of 1.245 for that bullet. I loaded a test round and I don't think it set in the chamber or gauge right. Tell me what you think please.
1.200 
1.245 
Sorry for all the questions. I feel comfortable with FMJs just making sure I'm dialing lead in right. |
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I seat to a thumb nail thickness of the band above the case mouth works in all of mine This is what I do as well. The bullet on the left (blue lube) is a copy of the H&G 68. Possibly the most popular cast bullet design in any caliber. Never seen the one on the right (green lube). I could see the stubby one causing feed problems in some guns. If it causes you issues the obvious solution is to buy an M1917 to shoot them out of. 
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With lead, all rules of OAL get tossed out the window... You seat both of them bullet to have maybe a thumbnail thickness of lead beyond case mouth. <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capttoyota/media/handloading/bulletseat.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/capttoyota/handloading/bulletseat.jpg</a> For someone who shoots plated, jhp etc. But acquired a lot of 200gr lswc. Please explain why the depth i see a lot of you more experienced loaders say to use. Based on what i have read (a,b.c, lyman here, benos etc) IF you seat to deep you increase pressure. Does that not apply when using lead? Much appreciation for info forthcoming. |
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For someone who shoots plated, jhp etc. But acquired a lot of 200gr lswc. Please explain why the depth i see a lot of you more experienced loaders say to use. Common everyday 200gr SWC sold by most all vendor is typically based on the Hensley & Gibbs #68.... assemble OAL pretty well established at 1.250" as seen in Dryflash pic with cartridge inside caliper jaws. Other makers may offer a 200gr SWC that not H&G 68, as in the RCBS 201 SWC seen in my picture, witih the different nose profile, we will rely on the amount of lead beyond case mouth to establish assembled OAL Based on what i have read (a,b.c, lyman here, benos etc) IF you seat to deep you increase pressure. Correct, you can increase pressure,, this is where you start fudging your initial powder charge to get you going and work from there to get desired results,, this why we all say start low, and work up,, but with the H&G 68 being used fo so long,, everybody got a favorite load for it Does that not apply when using lead? Yep, remeber that part where I siad when loading lead that all rules for OAL get tossed out window,, so does powder most part, check a few sources, figure a starting point, and go from there,, chrono helps too so you have idea where velocity is Much appreciation for info forthcoming. Quoted:
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With lead, all rules of OAL get tossed out the window... You seat both of them bullet to have maybe a thumbnail thickness of lead beyond case mouth.  For someone who shoots plated, jhp etc. But acquired a lot of 200gr lswc. Please explain why the depth i see a lot of you more experienced loaders say to use. Common everyday 200gr SWC sold by most all vendor is typically based on the Hensley & Gibbs #68.... assemble OAL pretty well established at 1.250" as seen in Dryflash pic with cartridge inside caliper jaws. Other makers may offer a 200gr SWC that not H&G 68, as in the RCBS 201 SWC seen in my picture, witih the different nose profile, we will rely on the amount of lead beyond case mouth to establish assembled OAL Based on what i have read (a,b.c, lyman here, benos etc) IF you seat to deep you increase pressure. Correct, you can increase pressure,, this is where you start fudging your initial powder charge to get you going and work from there to get desired results,, this why we all say start low, and work up,, but with the H&G 68 being used fo so long,, everybody got a favorite load for it Does that not apply when using lead? Yep, remeber that part where I siad when loading lead that all rules for OAL get tossed out window,, so does powder most part, check a few sources, figure a starting point, and go from there,, chrono helps too so you have idea where velocity is Much appreciation for info forthcoming. |
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Helps a lot, thank you |
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Very nice.  |
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Good question. Why is a fingernail width neededfor proper functioning? The lead has to stick out past the mouth in order to 1) get a proper crimp that does not roll over, and 2 prevents the bullet from hanging up on the lip if you were to seat it flush. Seating longer than that and you can have the lead jam against the leade, especially in a square shoulder like with a SWC. Taken together = seat it so you have a thumbnail of lead past the case mouth. |
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This is what I do as well. The bullet on the left (blue lube) is a copy of the H&G 68. Possibly the most popular cast bullet design in any caliber. Never seen the one on the right (green lube). I could see the stubby one causing feed problems in some guns. Quoted:
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I seat to a thumb nail thickness of the band above the case mouth works in all of mine This is what I do as well. The bullet on the left (blue lube) is a copy of the H&G 68. Possibly the most popular cast bullet design in any caliber. Never seen the one on the right (green lube). I could see the stubby one causing feed problems in some guns. The one on the right is a H&G 130 (or clone). It is very sensitive to OAL for proper feeding. I had enough intermittent feeding issues with that design that I sold my 5 cavity mold. Unfortunate too since it was the best casting mold I owned. |
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Slight topic branch...
Will this bullet profile feed through a Glock 21? I'm collecting parts and components to reload .45ACP and would hate to waste money on a bullet that won't feed through my gun. The bullets I was looking at were coated or plated-> 
Thanks, my only experience with this profile was loading revolver .38/.357 and .44 many moons ago. |
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