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Posted: 8/19/2014 10:51:53 AM EDT
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now I know what everyone means about varget not metering well.
I have a lyman electronic metering scale and the weights with varget are often 1 to 2 tenths off I was doing some load workups so I just kept dumping the bad ones back in the hopper and used the good ones I wanted these loads to be perfect but I wonder after I find my loads if a tenth one way or the other is really going to make that much difference? |
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Just shove 2" of a maccas straw up the duff.
She'll meter much better and more consistant. ( had that mod in my RCBS charge master for a few years now ) I use a metric shit tonne of 2208 " labeled as Varget " for you you yanks. Speaking of powder, 2208 ATM here it's like stumbling upone a Yowie taking a shit in the woods. Quit hogging all the powder ( share the love ) for the country that makes the stuff we pay more for it and we get the scraps of what you guys don't take. Anyway that's going off the beaten track. Try the straw trick ( cost you FA and about 1 min of your time to give it a buzz ) you might like the results or not. But no harm in giving it a go hey ;) Skip |
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Just shove 2" of a maccas straw up the duff. She'll meter much better and more consistant. ( had that mod in my RCBS charge master for a few years now ) I use a metric shit tonne of 2208 " labeled as Varget " for you you yanks. Speaking of powder, 2208 ATM here it's like stumbling upone a Yowie taking a shit in the woods. Quit hogging all the powder ( share the love ) for the country that makes the stuff we pay more for it and we get the scraps of what you guys don't take. Anyway that's going off the beaten track. Try the straw trick ( cost you FA and about 1 min of your time to give it a buzz ) you might like the results or not. But no harm in giving it a go hey ;) Skip Speak English damn it. |
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I'll see if I get this right for ya'll
What I was trying to say, Was ..... Cut a 2 inch or 1 inch length of your Burger King or Mc Donald's straw. Then shove it up the tube ( not all the way ) leave a little hanging out. Then when your device is throwing its selected/desired charge weight. It will throw a bit more consistently, as in the final stages of the trickling motion it will throw a kernel or two at a time and not a big clump in one go. Was that better for you. As for the rest of it, I'm not going to translate it as obviously you have no sence of humor. Have a great day ya'll Skip |
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I'll tell ya what ;) to quit this derailment of this poor blokes thread any further.
Look up Kevin bloody Wilson ...... He's from my neck of the woods, you might learn something or experience a bit of Aussie culture, learn some new words and slang etcetera ;) Another bloke, that might make ya piss ya pants. Is Rodney Rude :) If you don't get a laugh from either of them, then sorry you'll never understand my lingo :D Back to the scale/thrower. The straw trick is a good cheap easy fix that works well. I might get 1 over throw by .1 every 100-200 throws of powder. ( in that event ) take a few kernels out with ya finger or some tweezers. |
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Quoted: I'll see if I get this right for ya'll What I was trying to say, Was ..... Cut a 2 inch or 1 inch length of your Burger King or Mc Donald's straw. Then shove it up the tube ( not all the way ) leave a little hanging out. Then when your device is throwing its selected/desired charge weight. It will throw a bit more consistently, as in the final stages of the trickling motion it will throw a kernel or two at a time and not a big clump in one go. Was that better for you. As for the rest of it, I'm not going to translate it as obviously you have no sence of humor. Have a great day ya'll Skip  I liked the first version better. Edit-the straw does actually work. Also, there are a few other mods you can do to the Chargemaster via the control panel as far as trickle speed up to a certain point, then it slows down for the final weight.
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I'll tell ya what ;) to quit this derailment of this poor blokes thread any further. Look up Kevin bloody Wilson ...... He's from my neck of the woods, you might learn something or experience a bit of Aussie culture, learn some new words and slang etcetera ;) Another bloke, that might make ya piss ya pants. Is Rodney Rude :) If you don't get a laugh from either of them, then sorry you'll never understand my lingo :D Back to the scale/thrower. The straw trick is a good cheap easy fix that works well. I might get 1 over throw by .1 every 100-200 throws of powder. ( in that event ) take a few kernels out with ya finger or some tweezers. Hell I like the way you talk. Have a few Aussie friends. Would love to spend a couple of years traveling around down under. Take a truck camper and head out thanks for the tip. I will try it tonight |
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now I know what everyone means about varget not metering well. I have a lyman electronic metering scale and the weights with varget are often 1 to 2 tenths off I was doing some load workups so I just kept dumping the bad ones back in the hopper and used the good ones I wanted these loads to be perfect but I wonder after I find my loads if a tenth one way or the other is really going to make that much difference? it depends on what you want to achieve and how good you are behind the gun. if your shooting in an AR just trying to get pretty good groups, then no it wont matter. if your sitting behind a bolt gun shooting from a solid rest at a distance then yes in my experience it makes a difference. when I make my match .308 loads then every charge weighs exactly the same. my powder measure dumps the charge a little under what i want and then i trickle the last couple tenths. ive noticed from a bench with my bolt gun that 1-2 tenths is enough to vary my groups up to half moa at 100 yards. this is the biggest problem I have with factory match ammo. but you wont notice it unless you are looking for precision. |
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Quoted: "Queens English"?? Was she drunk?  Quoted: Quoted: Sorry mate. I am speaking the Queens English ;) I'll try and speck/type in a more yanky fashion for ya'll ;) "Queens English"?? Was she drunk? If you want to post like a fool do it in General Discussion, not in this forum. From the Conduct Code, SPECIFIC TO THE TECH FORUMS. The tech forums (Ar15, AK47, Handgun, Armory, Training, Outdoors) are more "formal" and actions permitted in the GD forum aren't permitted there. These forums are there to share information and as a result, trolling, heated arguments, insulting others, etc won't be ignored. dryflash3 |
| I just dump the charge from the Lyman or RCBS on another scale and remove or trickle powder until I get the correct weight. One tenth of a grain means a lot when I am loading for 17 Hornet and shooting at up to 300 yards. When I load for 223, I am not quite as picky |
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That's enough of the GD posts in this thread. This is a Technical Forum. If you want to post like a fool do it in General Discussion, not in this forum. From the Conduct Code, SPECIFIC TO THE TECH FORUMS. The tech forums (Ar15, AK47, Handgun, Armory, Training, Outdoors) are more "formal" and actions permitted in the GD forum aren't permitted there. These forums are there to share information and as a result, trolling, heated arguments, insulting others, etc won't be ignored. dryflash3 Quoted:
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Sorry mate. I am speaking the Queens English ;) I'll try and speck/type in a more yanky fashion for ya'll ;) "Queens English"?? Was she drunk?
That's enough of the GD posts in this thread. This is a Technical Forum. If you want to post like a fool do it in General Discussion, not in this forum. From the Conduct Code, SPECIFIC TO THE TECH FORUMS. The tech forums (Ar15, AK47, Handgun, Armory, Training, Outdoors) are more "formal" and actions permitted in the GD forum aren't permitted there. These forums are there to share information and as a result, trolling, heated arguments, insulting others, etc won't be ignored. dryflash3 My aren't we the serious type are you a jerk in real life too! |
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here's the link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-DRJCL0D3A I tried the straw method with Varget and got the overthrows down from 1 in 3 to 1 in 20, which I can live with. reprogramming speeds it up quite a bit too. |
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Quoted: My aren't we the serious type are you a jerk in real life too! Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sorry mate. I am speaking the Queens English ;) I'll try and speck/type in a more yanky fashion for ya'll ;) "Queens English"?? Was she drunk? That's enough of the GD posts in this thread. This is a Technical Forum. If you want to post like a fool do it in General Discussion, not in this forum. From the Conduct Code, SPECIFIC TO THE TECH FORUMS. The tech forums (Ar15, AK47, Handgun, Armory, Training, Outdoors) are more "formal" and actions permitted in the GD forum aren't permitted there. These forums are there to share information and as a result, trolling, heated arguments, insulting others, etc won't be ignored. dryflash3 My aren't we the serious type are you a jerk in real life too! If you want to contuine posting in this forum, you should become serious also. You quoted my post and didn't see the part about the Conduct Code? |
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I'll see if I get this right for ya'll What I was trying to say, Was ..... Cut a 2 inch or 1 inch length of your Burger King or Mc Donald's straw. Then shove it up the tube ( not all the way ) leave a little hanging out. Then when your device is throwing its selected/desired charge weight. It will throw a bit more consistently, as in the final stages of the trickling motion it will throw a kernel or two at a time and not a big clump in one go. Was that better for you. As for the rest of it, I'm not going to translate it as obviously you have no sence of humor. Have a great day ya'll Skip I just did this trick on my RCBS Chargemaster and it works awesome. Go to 8541 Tactical's YouTube page and he has a great vid on it and re-programming some settings on the Chargemaster. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-DRJCL0D3A |
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No need for the straw on the Lyman powder system. It comes with a little plastic piece that threads into the end of the dispenser tube that restricts the opening down and makes powders like Varget dispense more accurately. If anything it undercharges by a tenth of a grain and i have to hit the trickle button to get a little more.
Also this in not metering of powder. Metering refers to measuring powder by volume as in the way traditional powder dispensers did it by rotating or sliding a piece under the hopper with a void in it to allow a desired amount of powder to fill that void and then rotate or slide it in line with the funnel to drop it into a pan or the casing. Like those found on progressive presses. The reason longer grain extruded powders like Varget tend to not meter well is that the shape of the kernels cause it to inconsistently fill the void when the kernels cause gaps and spaces where ball and flake type powders would fall into place more consistently. Unfortunately it's this same Kernel shape that causes problems metering that also helps it burn more consistently and be less temperature sensitive thus making it such a great powder for precision loads. |
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No need for the straw on the Lyman powder system. It comes with a little plastic piece that threads into the end of the dispenser tube that restricts the opening down and makes powders like Varget dispense more accurately. If anything it undercharges by a tenth of a grain and i have to hit the trickle button to get a little more. Also this in not metering of powder. Metering refers to measuring powder by volume as in the way traditional powder dispensers did it by rotating or sliding a piece under the hopper with a void in it to allow a desired amount of powder to fill that void and then rotate or slide it in line with the funnel to drop it into a pan or the casing. Like those found on progressive presses. The reason longer grain extruded powders like Varget tend to not meter well is that the shape of the kernels cause it to inconsistently fill the void when the kernels cause gaps and spaces where ball and flake type powders would fall into place more consistently. Unfortunately it's this same Kernel shape that causes problems metering that also helps it burn more consistently and be less temperature sensitive thus making it such a great powder for precision loads. you are right. I found that little restrictor tube and screwed it in. Now my Lyman gen6 throws loads accurate to the tenth of a grain 9 times out of ten. I am very happy with that. |
| I have also found the Lyman to be very sensitive to static electricity. I rubbed down the plastic parts with a dryer sheet. Also I close the lid when it is dispensing as I found that a slight draft can affect it. One last thing is I put the cover on the hopper tube and refill when it gets to 1/2 full. When I do get a load that does not meet my QA I simply dump it into the same 1 lb container it is stored in. It will be used when I fill up the hopper. The dryer sheet thing did the most to improve accurate charges. You will know if you have static built up in your machine because you will see static cling in the hopper tube and the insides when cleaning for switching out powder. |
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No need for the straw on the Lyman powder system. It comes with a little plastic piece that threads into the end of the dispenser tube that restricts the opening down and makes powders like Varget dispense more accurately. If anything it undercharges by a tenth of a grain and i have to hit the trickle button to get a little more. Also this in not metering of powder. Metering refers to measuring powder by volume as in the way traditional powder dispensers did it by rotating or sliding a piece under the hopper with a void in it to allow a desired amount of powder to fill that void and then rotate or slide it in line with the funnel to drop it into a pan or the casing. Like those found on progressive presses. The reason longer grain extruded powders like Varget tend to not meter well is that the shape of the kernels cause it to inconsistently fill the void when the kernels cause gaps and spaces where ball and flake type powders would fall into place more consistently. Unfortunately it's this same Kernel shape that causes problems metering that also helps it burn more consistently and be less temperature sensitive thus making it such a great powder for precision loads. My Pact digital measure runs fine with IMR 3031 and Varget. It sometimes stops a tenth of a grain low, then i trickle up. Second to that is my Lee PPM. |
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