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Posted: 7/12/2014 4:40:54 PM EDT
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Fixing to start loading for my Romanian Tokarev, have converted some .223 cases to 7.62x25 and now on the hunt for load data. Planning to try using some 98 grain lead round nose for starters, looking for a starting point with Bullseye or Unique. Once I get started I may try out some VV N320. The only data I can find seems to be limited to AA#2, #5 or #7. I checked the pistol load database here and found three loads for FMJ but nothing to help me out. Anyone have any load data they wish to share?
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| Before I decided I wanted to load for my Tokarev, I did some research on loading for it. Here's a good place to start. There's some very useful data there. Another place is this discussion on Castboolits.com. There's a surprising amount of info on loading the Tok available online with a simple Google search, but I'd be cautious about whose information I used (thus my linking these two specific sites but not others...) As always, use published data and work up slowly, etc. |
| Thank you Sir. I had stumbled on the Tokarev site but never thought to check Castboolits...naturally, there was a bunch of reading material as some of those folks get into some pretty obscure cartridges.. Based off one poster's loads I may even try some of the TrailBoss too, since I have a couple three bottles of that on hand. |
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The Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook #4 says this.
85gr lead #2 alloy (lyman mold #313249) bullseye 4.0gr 1184fps (max 5.2) unique 4.6gr 1123fps (max 6.0) AA#2 4.2gr 1221fps (max 5.2) Now 2 things: 1) those velocities seem REALLY high to me, at Toks locked or blowback operated? 2) You are using brass from a different origin, meaning your internal volume may be smaller than normal. Finally, your bullet is a little heavier. You will need to reduce charges a bit more for that. Lyman test gun was a Cz52. ETA: you are ultimately responsible for your loads, but you knew that right? |
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Now 2 things: 1) those velocities seem REALLY high to me, at Toks locked or blowback operated? 2) You are using brass from a different origin, meaning your internal volume may be smaller than normal. Finally, your bullet is a little heavier. You will need to reduce charges a bit more for that. Lyman test gun was a Cz52. ETA: you are ultimately responsible for your loads, but you knew that right? The Tokarev (Russian TT-33/Romanian TTC/Chinese Type 54) is very similar to the 1911 internally. The barrel locks, then drops just like the 1911 but has locking lugs around the barrel rather than just on the top. They seem like a pretty stout gun and the surplus ammo, according to what I've read, runs 1500+ FPS with FMJ. Making my brass from military .223 should have less internal capacity due to the brass thickness, hence my desire to find as much load data as I can before starting. While the guns are widely available the surplus ammo is drying up, maybe soon there will be more published data. Until then I will have to start low and work up. My thought was starting about .5 grains short of the minimum load for the 93 gr projectile (a little more than 10% to offset the reduced capacity). And yes, I know I am responsible for my loads. It never hurts for all of us to see that reminder though. |
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TT33s are locked, and locked solidly. The design is based on Browning's pre-1911 pistol designs (the 1903 pistol, I think). The latest edition of The Blue Press has a nice little article on the pistol, with plenty of history and some interesting details.
Until the introduction of the .357 Magnum in the late 1930s, the Tokarev cartridge was the most powerful handgun cartridge around. Looking at some of the loads on Castboolits, it's on a par with the .30 Carbine (with the same powder and very similar max load, too), which I find very interesting. |
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Have not been on that board in a long time...... |
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Have not been on that board in a long time...... Yeah, not a huge membership, but I stop by once a month to see what's new. |
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