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Posted: 3/16/2014 11:07:17 AM EDT
So yesterday I loaded 9mm with 4.3 g of W231 under a 124g plated bullet. I decided to not crimp because I was lazy  and running out of time before the range closed, Rounds would not even try to cycle the action of my S&W shield and the bullets almost didn't pierce the paper. how they even managed to make it out of the barrel is a miracle.
It appeared that the powder was not igniting with lots of unburnt powder to prove it, could this have been caused by the lack of crimp? |
| It would be my guess that lack of crimping was a part of it. I would start out by putting the proper taper crimp on a few rounds and try them again. If you're still having unburned powder and not operating the action try adding more powder. If it was me I would load up a few in .1 grain increments. I have had similar results when trying to load at the bottom end of a load. |
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I've run that bullet/powder combo down to as low as 3.9gr with no issues cycling either my M&P9FS or CZ75B. I also ran those rounds through the Lee FCD.
Only you can think through how haste could have affected more than just failing to crimp. You didn't say you had any problems chambering, so your bell was not excessive. That should have left enough neck tension . . . depending on your OAL. Don't know whether you checked your powder drop, or left the powder out in the PM too long, and got short-charged. I'd do them again with the time and care to do them correctly, and see if your results don't change. |
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well I am going to lower my head in shame . I recently picked up some powder from a friend who was getting out of reloading, couple pounds of red-dot and w231, this is my first loads using this powder as i just ran out of my stash of w231. Well i just double checked the bottle and I noticed that in permanent marker it says h-110 on the back of the bottle. Stupid me for not really double checking to see what powder it was. Im lucky that there is no way that i could charge the case enough with this powder to even get above 15,000psi .
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well I am going to lower my head in shame . I recently picked up some powder from a friend who was getting out of reloading, couple pounds of red-dot and w231, this is my first loads using this powder as i just ran out of my stash of w231. Well i just double checked the bottle and I noticed that in permanent marker it says h-110 on the back of the bottle. Stupid me for not really double checking to see what powder it was. Im lucky that there is no way that i could charge the case enough with this powder to even get above 15,000psi .Good lesson to be learned here (and shame on your friend for not explicitly telling you the bottle was effectively mislabeled) - when you buy powder, it comes in a properly labeled container. When you're done using it, it goes back in the properly labeled container. There cannot be ANY ambiguity left as to what the bottle contains, whatever labeling system you decide to use. |
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Not trying to be an ass.... but there are so many things wrong here that I have to say....DO NOT RUSH RELOADING !!!
H110 can be very unpredictable at less than max charge weights.... consider yourself lucky you didn't have a kaboom..... No crimp.... massive bullet setback possible.... along with really poor extraction. Again , you are lucky the only problem was poor performance. I am glad your lesson was learned without any serious problems. We have all done something like this in haste... |
| Thanks for your honest post op. I loaded several rounds the other night when I was super tired. Made some mistakes while loading them (spilling powder, double charging some and redoing those, using suspect brass, etc.). Been debating whether to pull them and starting anew. I will now |
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Good lesson to be learned here (and shame on your friend for not explicitly telling you the bottle was effectively mislabeled) - when you buy powder, it comes in a properly labeled container. When you're done using it, it goes back in the properly labeled container. There cannot be ANY ambiguity left as to what the bottle contains, whatever labeling system you decide to use. Quoted:
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well I am going to lower my head in shame . I recently picked up some powder from a friend who was getting out of reloading, couple pounds of red-dot and w231, this is my first loads using this powder as i just ran out of my stash of w231. Well i just double checked the bottle and I noticed that in permanent marker it says h-110 on the back of the bottle. Stupid me for not really double checking to see what powder it was. Im lucky that there is no way that i could charge the case enough with this powder to even get above 15,000psi .Good lesson to be learned here (and shame on your friend for not explicitly telling you the bottle was effectively mislabeled) - when you buy powder, it comes in a properly labeled container. When you're done using it, it goes back in the properly labeled container. There cannot be ANY ambiguity left as to what the bottle contains, whatever labeling system you decide to use. I like the 1lb hogden bottles, the labels are easily removed and I can use them to fill up a 1lb container from an 8lber. Much easier to fill droppers with 1lb than an 8lb :-) Plus with removing labels I can RELABEL with powder, lot #, date opened, etc so that there is ZERO issue with mixing up what I have. Too bad you can't buy small llittle 'samplers' of powder to see what would work well. Perhaps pill sized bottles that held enough to do 25 rounds. |
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I like the 1lb hogden bottles, the labels are easily removed and I can use them to fill up a 1lb container from an 8lber. Much easier to fill droppers with 1lb than an 8lb :-) Plus with removing labels I can RELABEL with powder, lot #, date opened, etc so that there is ZERO issue with mixing up what I have. Too bad you can't buy small llittle 'samplers' of powder to see what would work well. Perhaps pill sized bottles that held enough to do 25 rounds. Quoted:
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well I am going to lower my head in shame . I recently picked up some powder from a friend who was getting out of reloading, couple pounds of red-dot and w231, this is my first loads using this powder as i just ran out of my stash of w231. Well i just double checked the bottle and I noticed that in permanent marker it says h-110 on the back of the bottle. Stupid me for not really double checking to see what powder it was. Im lucky that there is no way that i could charge the case enough with this powder to even get above 15,000psi .Good lesson to be learned here (and shame on your friend for not explicitly telling you the bottle was effectively mislabeled) - when you buy powder, it comes in a properly labeled container. When you're done using it, it goes back in the properly labeled container. There cannot be ANY ambiguity left as to what the bottle contains, whatever labeling system you decide to use. I like the 1lb hogden bottles, the labels are easily removed and I can use them to fill up a 1lb container from an 8lber. Much easier to fill droppers with 1lb than an 8lb :-) Plus with removing labels I can RELABEL with powder, lot #, date opened, etc so that there is ZERO issue with mixing up what I have. Too bad you can't buy small llittle 'samplers' of powder to see what would work well. Perhaps pill sized bottles that held enough to do 25 rounds. So long as it's absolutely crystal clear what is in the bottle (i.e.: only one powder is labeled on the container, and it is correctly labeled), it's not a problem, but you do want to keep track of the lot number that is in the container, for safety reasons (well, at least I do). Personally, I feel like I need a good 400-500 rounds to get a feel for whether a powder is one I like to use or not - 25 rounds is nowhere near enough to do load testing imo, but my process is a bit more extensive than most 
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