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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Keep getting cases stuck (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/11/2014 11:50:15 AM EDT
| Alright I am in need of some help. I am currently running a Lyman Spar-T turret press and trying to reload rifle calibers on it. I have tried Hornady and RCBS dies and consistently get cases stuck. I can barely make it 100 rounds without sticking a case. I cleaned the die, used Hornady One Shot lube and let it dry enough and this still keeps happening. Its probably user error but could it be any issues with my press? Or any other steps in the process? Cases are thoroughly cleaned as well. I'm at a loss and its really frustrating when I finally get some time to reload and no kidding 4 cases into resizing some 223 a case sticks in the die... |
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223 is really tough due to the small rim. Guys will tell you that you should try this or that lube, technique, etc. I tried everything. I used Lee, RCBS and Hornady dies. I used One Shot, Dillon lube, Imperial Sizing Wax, etc.
My trouble stopped when I got a Dillon Carbide die. I had a case stick the other day. It was the first time in years. It was unstuck just minutes later. |
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Best lube you can buy/make and dirt cheap.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/305174_Case_Lube_for_cheap_bastards.html Never had a stuck case in my 5 years of reloading. I have used this lube exclusively. |
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Have you taken these dies apart and cleaned them read good?
Hornady has a Help Video on how to clean and prep their NEW dies. If you cleaned them and prepped them properly then it's your lube. Hornady One-Shot has stuck more cases than all other lubes combined. If you want to use spray lube, Getcha some Dillon spray lube and never have another stuck case. |
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Have you taken these dies apart and cleaned them read good? Hornady has a Help Video on how to clean and prep their NEW dies. If you cleaned them and prepped them properly then it's your lube. Hornady One-Shot has stuck more cases than all other lubes combined. If you want to use spray lube, Getcha some Dillon spray lube and never have another stuck case. I cleaned the things in a sonic cleaner, they are spotless. I guess I'll ditch the One Shot and try something else. I'd go for Dillon carbide dies but I really would like to start using the X-die from RCBS to minimize trimming. |
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I use a product called Bullsize. It's similar to Imperial sizing wax but I've had better luck with it than Imperial on my .300 win. The website is just contact info.
Bullsize They also sell a product called Bullplate which is an excellent bullet mold lube. |
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I cleaned the things in a sonic cleaner, they are spotless. I guess I'll ditch the One Shot and try something else. I'd go for Dillon carbide dies but I really would like to start using the X-die from RCBS to minimize trimming. Quoted:
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Have you taken these dies apart and cleaned them read good? Hornady has a Help Video on how to clean and prep their NEW dies. If you cleaned them and prepped them properly then it's your lube. Hornady One-Shot has stuck more cases than all other lubes combined. If you want to use spray lube, Getcha some Dillon spray lube and never have another stuck case. I cleaned the things in a sonic cleaner, they are spotless. I guess I'll ditch the One Shot and try something else. I'd go for Dillon carbide dies but I really would like to start using the X-die from RCBS to minimize trimming. Dillon Carbide rifle dies are not like carbide pistol dies. They still require Lube. The only advantage is they are made to last for the commercial loader that will load by the shit tons. |
| This is what I do. I use one shot and love the stuff. I shake the can for about 2-3 min and hold it upside down for a few seconds in between getting tired of shaking. I stick the cases in a loading block and spray in a angle to make sure the one shot gets into the throat of the case. Also I do and sometimes don't let it dry and it runs like butter. |
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Best lube you can buy/make and dirt cheap. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/305174_Case_Lube_for_cheap_bastards.html Never had a stuck case in my 5 years of reloading. I have used this lube exclusively. Try Dillon lube for $10 and when you run out make this. |
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This is what I do. I use one shot and love the stuff. I shake the can for about 2-3 min and hold it upside down for a few seconds in between getting tired of shaking. I stick the cases in a loading block and spray in a angle to make sure the one shot gets into the throat of the case. Also I do and sometimes don't let it dry and it runs like butter. Agreed. I have never stuck anything using oneshot. I have heard that the pump oneshot is the bad stuff. The aero stuff in the cans has never failed me though. Still use the cheap homebrew mix of lanolin/iso when I am doing mass quantities, but only because of the price vs the oneshot. |
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Imperial size wax is the best and a can will usually last a few years. Use it sparingly for best results. Apply with your fingers. Hornady one shot is pretty famous for stuck cases. Imperial is the "King" resizing lube. Very little is needed on the case body. I simply touch my fingerprint swirl to the wax as if it were an ink pad and I wanted to make a fingerprint. Even less is needed on the case neck. I've never stuck a case in a die in thirty years of reloading. I've come very close on several occasions resizing Lake City 7.62x51mm brass, range pick-ups. The die will warn you with those cases that things are not quite right. Heavy resistance was felt and pushing ahead anyway would have been a bad idea. The cases galled the die on both occasions. I stopped in time. I used RCBS case lube and a roll pad for years. Then they switched to a water based lube which I didn't like so much. It's been nothing but Imperial for over ten years now when resizing bottlenecked rifle cases. I use Dillon's spray lube in a very light pass on straight walled handgun brass even though my carbide dies don't need it. Using some spray lube on brass destined to carbide dies smooths the operation and that is always a good thing. |
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Best lube you can buy/make and dirt cheap. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/305174_Case_Lube_for_cheap_bastards.html Never had a stuck case in my 5 years of reloading. I have used this lube exclusively. I've used one shot for 223 and you really have to make sure your getting good coverage and also give it plenty of time to dry, then wait some more. Even then it's touchy at times but very convenient and that's it's biggest feature. I went the lanolin route and even with a lean mix you can feel a big difference over HOS. I'd also make sure your dies are clean and your shell holder has a good fit on the rim. |
| One shot in my experience is not for bottle neck brass, straight wall, or pistol, sure.I had this problem too.I now use dillon spray lube, and all is well.I save the one shot for the dillon progressives, with pistol brass.Also the imperial wax works, but it is a pain in the ass to work with. |
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I cleaned the things in a sonic cleaner, they are spotless. I guess I'll ditch the One Shot and try something else. I'd go for Dillon carbide dies but I really would like to start using the X-die from RCBS to minimize trimming. Quoted:
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Have you taken these dies apart and cleaned them read good? Hornady has a Help Video on how to clean and prep their NEW dies. If you cleaned them and prepped them properly then it's your lube. Hornady One-Shot has stuck more cases than all other lubes combined. If you want to use spray lube, Getcha some Dillon spray lube and never have another stuck case. I cleaned the things in a sonic cleaner, they are spotless. I guess I'll ditch the One Shot and try something else. I'd go for Dillon carbide dies but I really would like to start using the X-die from RCBS to minimize trimming. Smart move on skipping the Dillon carbide, it's a lube issue |
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I sized 2700 cases today and did not have any stuck cases. I use hornady one shot but I put it on 200 cases at a time and apply it very heavy then let it dry. I have had about 20 stuck cases in the last year from rushing the one shot or not using enough. I really like the dillon lube and rcbs but it makes my case feeder and press a mess when using it. I have also had alot of stuck cases with both the dillon lube and rcbs brand. I also found that with the liquid lubes I get dents in some case necks from to much lube so that is the reason I stay with the hornady one shot.
I forgot to add that I did get 1 case stuck so bad that the 1/4" threads on my stuck case remover pulled out. I had to step up to a larger fine thread to get the case out so then I started to follow directions and little better. |
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Alright I am in need of some help. I am currently running a Lyman Spar-T turret press and trying to reload rifle calibers on it. I have tried Hornady and RCBS dies and consistently get cases stuck. I can barely make it 100 rounds without sticking a case. I cleaned the die, used Hornady One Shot lube and let it dry enough and this still keeps happening. Its probably user error but could it be any issues with my press? Or any other steps in the process? Cases are thoroughly cleaned as well. I'm at a loss and its really frustrating when I finally get some time to reload and no kidding 4 cases into resizing some 223 a case sticks in the die... I've identified your problem, in red. I got so good with a stuck case remover using this crap, that I can turn around a stuck case die in 10 minutes, complete with a fresh degrease and reapplication of new One Stuck. I tried switching to Lyman's spray lube, same results. I'm done, I'm going back to the old inkpad RCBS liquid lube. |
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It's easy to say "it's the One Shot!".
But, IME, One Shot does work just fine. Not the best, but adequately. The only time I've ever stuck a case was when I forgot to actually apply the One Shot, and it still took about three dry cases before one stuck. Follow the directions, it works just fine. Shake that can for thirty seconds, spray them down nice and good from more than one side, and let them dry for a minute or two. Don't go as skimpy as you possibly can, it's not Imperial Sizing Wax. |
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One Shot is an excellent pistol case lube and a lousy rifle case lube. Use a lanolin/alcohol lube as suggested and pictured, let the alcohol evaporate so the cases are dry and tacky, not wet and slick, and you won't stick cases. Nobody lubes straight wall pistol cases. |
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WATCH VIDEO OP, total time to lube and size 80 cases, about 5 minutes.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NUQaf9v_5II have used this method to lube cases for a few months now and not had one stick yet. |
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Nobody lubes straight wall pistol cases. Quoted:
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One Shot is an excellent pistol case lube and a lousy rifle case lube. Use a lanolin/alcohol lube as suggested and pictured, let the alcohol evaporate so the cases are dry and tacky, not wet and slick, and you won't stick cases. Nobody lubes straight wall pistol cases. Actually quite a few people do, a small shot of HOS on the cases and things run so SMOOTH it's almost scary. As a rifle case lube HOS won't allow you to be skimpy or rush the drying without giving you problems |
| I tried Hornady lube once. Let it sit and started depriming. I made a horrible sticky mess and completely clogged up my dies. Also left a nasty residue on my hands. I tumbled all that crap off and threw the lube in the trash. I use the RCBS spray lube exclusively now and it is great stuff. |
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There should be a 12 Step Program for Hornady One Shot.
I used some greasy mess on a cloth lube pad when I started out. Switched to Imperial and never looked back. I also think your dies may be too clean if you have not lubed them well after the ultrasonic cleaning. |
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You aren't using enough lube... I use One Shoot exclusively(I don't dick around with wax lube since its time consuming and One Shot works fine)... from 338RUM to 223, to even spray a little on my pistol brass in the case feeder to make them fly through a resizing die... no issues ever with stuck cases, make sure you use enough lube is the only thing you need to pay attention to. Either stand all the brass up in loading trays and spray on each side, or put them in a gallon zip lock, flatten it, spray over the brass inside, shake it around, lay it out flat, repeat a few times.
One Shot can make 223 feel like resizing 40sw if you apply enough. |
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Nobody lubes straight wall pistol cases. Quoted:
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One Shot is an excellent pistol case lube and a lousy rifle case lube. Use a lanolin/alcohol lube as suggested and pictured, let the alcohol evaporate so the cases are dry and tacky, not wet and slick, and you won't stick cases. Nobody lubes straight wall pistol cases. I do. It makes 9mm in a U die go super smooth. I love the Dillon stuff for rifle cases. One Shot is great for pistol since it leaves very little residue I shoot them without removing it. As for One Shot and rifle cases, it's the worst. In my opinion. |
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Plenty of people use One Shot for pistol cases. A small mist of it into the ready to load brass can, shake, let dry a few minutes, and it smooths everything out, with or without carbide dies.
Note there are multiple versions of One Shot - I use the aerosol, shake it well before each use. I'm pretty sure Hornady has a spray/non aerosol 'One Shot' as well, which I think is more like Dillon Spray lube. No experience with that one, I use homemade for rifle cases. |
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Best lube you can buy/make and dirt cheap. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/305174_Case_Lube_for_cheap_bastards.html Never had a stuck case in my 5 years of reloading. I have used this lube exclusively. Home sick with the crud today so I made a batch of this to try. Wife calls it my "witch's brew". I told her if that is the case she should help me mix it.  Now she is not talking to me. 
Got all the components from Amazon including the 99% ISP. Paid a little more but did not have to run all over town. |
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I only use One Shot but you have to follow some simple rules.
*DO NOT SKIMP on the lube 1) Spray one side of the batch of cases (I put what will fit on a full-size paper towel and that is my batch size) 2) Let them sit for 30sec and then roll them by just moving them around and spray the other side. 2) Let sit for 60 seconds 3) Size your brass. I have stuck 1 case the first time I used it and have sized >9K more cases with no issues. If you feel resistance or it just doesn't feel right STOP. Take the case out and just squirt it again fast and wait a couple of seconds then size it. I would go insane using Imperial and having to handle each case by hand. I may try the Dillon lube someday but the Hornady is cheap and effective for me. I get ~2500 cases sized per can. |
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Nobody lubes straight wall pistol cases. Quoted:
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One Shot is an excellent pistol case lube and a lousy rifle case lube. Use a lanolin/alcohol lube as suggested and pictured, let the alcohol evaporate so the cases are dry and tacky, not wet and slick, and you won't stick cases. Nobody lubes straight wall pistol cases. Yes they do. |
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stop using one shot.
use the homemade lanolin lube, or use imperial sizing wax. both are massively superior in lubricity and lower cost than one shot. |
| One Shot is not cost-effective; however, I've not had any problems with stuck cases using One Shot and the "Shake and Bake" baggie method. And I've used One Shot a lot with many bottle-neck cases: 223, 308, 30-30, 300 Wby Mag, and reforming 220 RUS to 6 mm PPC. |
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Quoted: Yes they do. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: One Shot is an excellent pistol case lube and a lousy rifle case lube. Use a lanolin/alcohol lube as suggested and pictured, let the alcohol evaporate so the cases are dry and tacky, not wet and slick, and you won't stick cases. Nobody lubes straight wall pistol cases. Yes they do. Well they are wasting time and lube or have not heard of carbide. ...<snip> remember this is a technical forum. dryflash3 real smooth but it is really an unnecessary step, I have better things to do. I swear many reloaders add minutia to the process to make it seem more complex than it is. |
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I love Hornady one shot for two reasons.
1) It works. 2) It lets you know what side of the bell curve you're on. If you are getting cases stuck with one shot just soak your brass in six gallons of motor 1 synthetic motor oil for 24 hours and size immediately after removing. |
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stop using one shot. use the homemade lanolin lube, or use imperial sizing wax. both are massively superior in lubricity and lower cost than one shot. Agree with this post! I started with imperial. it was just messy. (made my hands heal up though :-) ) later moved to the home made type. WOW....much faster. Throw in ziplock back, 3,4,5, how ever many squirts you want but at least 3. Then shake or massage them around in bag. pour contents into your shell feeder and you're ready to run (I've never seen a need to even wait for them to dry) Been reloading a lil over a year, about 10k - 12k loaded and never a stuck case. Hornady dies, RCBS dies. My stuck case kit still sits there unopened :-) |
I've been loading for over 30 years and that stuff is the only lube that I've had issues with.
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Well they are wasting time and lube or have not heard of carbide. ...<snip> remember this is a technical forum. dryflash3 real smooth but it is really an unnecessary step, I have better things to do. I swear many reloaders add minutia to the process to make it seem more complex than it is. Quoted:
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One Shot is an excellent pistol case lube and a lousy rifle case lube. Use a lanolin/alcohol lube as suggested and pictured, let the alcohol evaporate so the cases are dry and tacky, not wet and slick, and you won't stick cases. Nobody lubes straight wall pistol cases. Yes they do. Well they are wasting time and lube or have not heard of carbide. ...<snip> remember this is a technical forum. dryflash3 real smooth but it is really an unnecessary step, I have better things to do. I swear many reloaders add minutia to the process to make it seem more complex than it is. There is nothing wrong with lubing pistol cases. I only use carbide pistol dies. It helps to reduce friction and aids in ease of use of the equipment. Reduced equipment stress means longer equipment life. Reduced stress on the user equates to less stressed joint, less fatigue, and longer loading sessions. Please don't steer people in the wrong direction with definitive statements that are not true. |
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