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8/6/2013 9:26:31 AM EDT
Have friends and family that I reload for.  I do have the proper FFL to do so.  They bring me components, I charge them labor, and they get their ammo made the way they want it...after I verify what they want is safe.

However, I'm now doing enough volume for friends and family that even though I've never had an incident, that some insurance might be a smart idea.

Would you guys mind sharing your preferred insurance carrier for this need?  I contacted State Farm and they laughed at me.
8/6/2013 9:32:51 AM EDT
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If the NRA does not have an endorsed program.  You probably need to work with an insurance broker rather than a direct insurance company/agent.  The broker can access the excess and surplus market.  These are the non-admitted insurers but often have not flexibility than your home, auto, and small business types.   I can tell you though, it likely won't be cheap.   I am thinking $5k- $10k minimum premiums. Maybe more.  

8/6/2013 9:40:32 AM EDT
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If the NRA does not have an endorsed program.  You probably need to work with an insurance broker rather than a direct insurance company/agent.  The broker can access the excess and surplus market.  These are the non-admitted insurers but often have not flexibility than your home, auto, and small business types.   I can tell you though, it likely won't be cheap.   I am thinking $5k- $10k minimum premiums. Maybe more.  

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ETA.  I am not a commercial reloader but I do work in insurance.
8/6/2013 10:07:41 AM EDT
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ETA.  I am not a commercial reloader but I do work in insurance.
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If the NRA does not have an endorsed program.  You probably need to work with an insurance broker rather than a direct insurance company/agent.  The broker can access the excess and surplus market.  These are the non-admitted insurers but often have not flexibility than your home, auto, and small business types.   I can tell you though, it likely won't be cheap.   I am thinking $5k- $10k minimum premiums. Maybe more.  




ETA.  I am not a commercial reloader but I do work in insurance.


Eww... If it's going to be that much, I may have to scale back my "friends" list that I load for.
8/6/2013 10:11:47 AM EDT
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8yrs ago buddy at work was loading for local LEO and a few others and said it was 5K then
8/6/2013 10:57:33 AM EDT
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I don't load for anyone who would claim me....  

8/6/2013 11:01:09 AM EDT
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I would guess millions.

Think worst case scenario.
8/6/2013 12:40:44 PM EDT
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I know GA arms reloads there own ammo that they sell to the public. Mabye they would be willing to point you in a direction of how to get started on obtaining that info if you gave them a call.
8/6/2013 1:05:26 PM EDT
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Nra has it. I recommend a $2 millon policy.  Around $1600 a year. There are a ton of variables though. Do you have your 06ffl?
8/6/2013 1:40:51 PM EDT
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Nra has it. I recommend a $2 millon policy.  Around $1600 a year. There are a ton of variables though. Do you have your 06ffl?
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If the NRA has A program than that certainly is your best route.  As I mentioned above, I am an insurance broker and can tell you there are a finite number of markets that would even touch this type of risk on the small scale.  Its just too much exposure for the premiums they could charge, leading to steep minimum (often fully earned) premiums of $5k or more.
8/6/2013 1:48:41 PM EDT
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I and a partner seriously considered commercial loading of ammunition.

I was quoted 15 to 18k depending on how much ammunition we planned on making per year.

The quote was solely based on how many rounds we planned on making.

We decided it wasn't worth the cost.
8/6/2013 2:02:09 PM EDT
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I and a partner seriously considered commercial loading of ammunition.

I was quoted 15 to 18k depending on how much ammunition we planned on making per year.

The quote was solely based on how many rounds we planned on making.

We decided it wasn't worth the cost.
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How many rounds a year did you figure?
8/6/2013 4:16:32 PM EDT
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Nra has it. I recommend a $2 millon policy.  Around $1600 a year. There are a ton of variables though. Do you have your 06ffl?
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Thanks, I'll call them tomorrow.  As stated in the original post, yes, I have the Ammo Manufacturers 06 FFL.
8/7/2013 12:36:31 PM EDT
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Seems to be about $1500-1700 for a million in coverage if gross sales are under $100k/yr.  I can live with that!
8/7/2013 3:38:04 PM EDT
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Thanks, I'll call them tomorrow.  As stated in the original post, yes, I have the Ammo Manufacturers 06 FFL.
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Thanks, I'll call them tomorrow.  As stated in the original post, yes, I have the Ammo Manufacturers 06 FFL.



Also gotta pay itar which is 2750 iirc
8/7/2013 4:11:44 PM EDT
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Nra has it. I recommend a $2 millon policy.  Around $1600 a year. There are a ton of variables though. Do you have your 06ffl?


Thanks, I'll call them tomorrow.  As stated in the original post, yes, I have the Ammo Manufacturers 06 FFL.



Also gotta pay itar which is 2750 iirc


Thought ITAR was only for import/export of arms?

ETA:  Found the means to get exemption:  http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/commodity_jurisdiction/index.html
8/7/2013 4:38:56 PM EDT
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Thought ITAR was only for import/export of arms?

ETA:  Found the means to get exemption:  http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/commodity_jurisdiction/index.html
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Nra has it. I recommend a $2 millon policy.  Around $1600 a year. There are a ton of variables though. Do you have your 06ffl?


Thanks, I'll call them tomorrow.  As stated in the original post, yes, I have the Ammo Manufacturers 06 FFL.



Also gotta pay itar which is 2750 iirc


Thought ITAR was only for import/export of arms?

ETA:  Found the means to get exemption:  http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/commodity_jurisdiction/index.html


Yeah good luck with that, hit freakshow up on that he's BTDT, he still might  hang out on cast boolits, I've got quit a bit of $$$  tied up in a Magma Bullet Master and Lube Master seating as I don't want to deal with the  ITAR and state dept.
8/7/2013 4:51:46 PM EDT
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Local commercial reloader who has been doing the gunshows for years told me his premium is quite a bit less if uses new brass rather than used.
8/7/2013 4:54:43 PM EDT
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I've sent an e-mail to my contact at the ATF to get clarification.
8/7/2013 5:02:21 PM EDT
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If you do enough searching you'll find that you can get different answers from the the ATF on this, there is a old thread by 1911smith IIRC his congressman set him straight on it , that it would be part of the cost of doing bussines. It's a state Dept issue not ATF
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