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6/21/2012 4:32:40 PM EDT
I'm new to reloading for ARs and came across a decent price on some SMP 844 in a 8# can.  Questions:

Any concern utilizing this powder with a standard 55gr FMJBT?

Other than saving $ on surplus pull-down powder, is there any advantage?

Usage is range work taking out those nasty paper circles from 50-200 yds.

Thanks.
6/21/2012 4:51:00 PM EDT
[#1]
No concerns using this powder for that grain bullet. Just work your loads up as normal. No advantages except for price. Many people use it, great for cheap plinking.
6/21/2012 6:35:19 PM EDT
[#2]



Quoted:


I'm new to reloading for ARs and came across a decent price on some SMP 844 in a 8# can.  Questions:



Any concern utilizing this powder with a standard 55gr FMJBT?



Other than saving $ on surplus pull-down powder, is there any advantage?



Usage is range work taking out those nasty paper circles from 50-200 yds.



Thanks.
If your knowledge of working up loads is up to speed yes.



But, you said you were a new reloader.




You should stick to commercial powder while you gain your reloading knowledge.




That's my advice.





 
6/21/2012 6:49:02 PM EDT
[#3]
Thanks guys.

I am a new reloader with my experience being limited to pistol so far...  I've done some reading to educate myself, but lack experience and a chronograph to properly work the loads.

I'll weigh my options...  perhaps just buy a couple 8# cans to stash away until my experience is adequate to load this powder safely.  I anticipate this powder may become may grow more difficult to purchase over time.

Thanks.
Jeff
6/21/2012 7:55:27 PM EDT
[#4]



Quoted:


Thanks guys.



I am a new reloader with my experience being limited to pistol so far...  I've done some reading to educate myself, but lack experience and a chronograph to properly work the loads.



I'll weigh my options...  perhaps just buy a couple 8# cans to stash away until my experience is adequate to load this powder safely.  I anticipate this powder may become may grow more difficult to purchase over time.



Thanks.

Jeff


Have you looked through the info at the top of the page?

 



FAQ's and Tutorials are full of good info. Look for the 4 part "How to Reload 223" up in Tutorials.




For powders I would suggest the following Ball powders, CFE 223, AR Comp, Tac, or H-335. Easy to measure.
6/22/2012 6:25:06 AM EDT
[#5]
844 is very similar to H335 and uses the same load data. Like any powder you should work up your load. 844 is my preferred plinking powder for 55grthe loads.
6/22/2012 6:50:49 AM EDT
[#6]
WC844 is the military H-335 one of the best 55/62gr FMJ powders one can use.

If you intend on loading large quantities of 223/5.56 please note the overwhelming satisfaction with this surplus powder by high volume shooters here and elsewhere

If (I said "IF") you know (I said "KNOW" as in definitely) you will be loading quantity amounts of 223 email Hi-Tech Ammo and ask for a direct sale via email of 6 #8 kegs of WC844  with free shipping and hazmat which comes to $510.00 to your door (That is $10.63 per pound, halleluiah, praise the Lord!!)

Now, if you are not certain about committing to large volume reloading then the advice to take it slow is good.

If you are sure you will be loading a bunch (48 pounds will load around 13000 rounds of 223) then take the leap and pick up 48 WC844, 2 6K packs of Hornady M193 FMJBT bullets and 15K primers and know you will be shooting long past when others wished they had stocked up.

IMO but then I have place 3 such orders in the last year and have used around half the powder already


Wulfmann
6/22/2012 7:19:33 AM EDT
[#7]
WC844 & H335 would  NOT seem to use the same loading data.  Shows a load of WC844-28.5 gr of powder-56gr bullet-M193 ball ammo.           http://www.tuffsteel.com/manuals/armyammodata.pdf  See chapter 10.   Way over maximum & dangerous, when compared to Hodgdon loading data.  Or am i missing something??    Maybe using the nato pressure range for 5.56mm???  Your thoughts?
6/22/2012 7:42:05 AM EDT
[#8]
 The same link shows  CARTRIDGE, 5.56MM, BALL, M855 - WC844-26.1gr -62gr bullet.   http://www.tuffsteel.com/manuals/armyammodata.pdf        
6/22/2012 9:31:03 AM EDT
[#9]
I have no clue on either load unless it refers to the batch number that is far different than what I have received.

For 55gr I can go to 26.5 but 26.3 duplicates M193 POA

For SS109 62 gr I see slight over pressure at 24.7 so have stayed at 24.3 which duplicates POA for M855 Privi, LC and IMI

My loads represent ball park what others report on WC844

It should be common sense to work from the start load of H-335 comparing POA with your favorite M193 ammo

Wulfmann
6/22/2012 1:39:57 PM EDT
[#10]
Thanks to all for the replies and advice...  I'm going to buy some more H335 following my books.  Meanwhile, I'll buy a couple 8# jugs for down the road.

6/22/2012 3:56:34 PM EDT
[#11]
IMO, there is nothing wrong with buying large quantity of powder for later use.

Make sure you keep it in a cool place, away from any moisture source and it should keep a long time.
6/22/2012 4:27:23 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
WC844 & H335 would  NOT seem to use the same loading data.  Shows a load of WC844-28.5 gr of powder-56gr bullet-M193 ball ammo.           http://www.tuffsteel.com/manuals/armyammodata.pdf  See chapter 10.   Way over maximum & dangerous, when compared to Hodgdon loading data.  Or am i missing something??    Maybe using the nato pressure range for 5.56mm???  Your thoughts?


Please do not use Army ammunition data sheets to draw any conclusions regarding loads with WC-844 powder.  It was never a cannister grade powder.  Some lots are way slower and some lots are way faster.

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