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Posted: 2/12/2012 6:23:37 PM EDT
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wanting to run vmax bullets with Varget powder.
will be shot out of a M&P .223 i believe it is 1:9 twist will be primarily used for coyotes but possibly p.dogs next year. first what is the difference in vmax and boattail? difference in non coated and moly which would be the better grain choice for coyotes and possibly p.dogs i was thinking 55gr or 60gr vmax? |
| I have shot a few dozen coyotes with my ar15. I dont like to see them run off, so i am sticking with lightest, fastest, most explosive bullet possible. 35 grain 223, and 85 grain 6.8 SPC. Vmax is a honady trademark for thin jacketed, fast expanding varmint bullet. Boat tail is a bullet design that is used by almost all rifle bullet manufacturers. The back of the bulet is tapered making it more aerodynamic, easier to get started in to the case when reloading too. |
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I use the Hornady 55 gr spire point (soft point) for both pdogs and coyotes, excellent accuracy and it does an excellent job on both, hit the right spot and coyotes go down DRT. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1165324457/hornady-bullets-22-caliber-224-diameter-55-grain-spire-point-with-cannelure |
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wanting to run vmax bullets with Varget powder. will be shot out of a M&P .223 i believe it is 1:9 twist will be primarily used for coyotes but possibly p.dogs next year. first what is the difference in vmax and boattail? difference in non coated and moly which would be the better grain choice for coyotes and possibly p.dogs i was thinking 55gr or 60gr vmax? For what it's worth: When I started reloading, this is one of the bullet/powder combos that I tried. I used VMAX because the factory stuff was great in my rifle and Varget because I had heard a lot of great things about it. I shot them in a RRA Entry Tactical 16"bbl, 1:9. I was able to get a little better grouping than factory ammo with 25.4gr Varget. I reloaded them on a Dillon 550B press. Here's what I have learned: Varget measures ok in the Dillon powder measure, I was getting within 0.1gr on each throw. I threw 10 charges and weigh them and was within 0.8gr, which was accurate enough for what I was doing. I found that 8208XBR is a smaller extruded powder and has similar characteristics to Varget. Being smaller, it metered better than Varget and provided slightly better accuracy/groups. In another one of my posts, someone (I think it was dryflash3) posted pics of Varget, 8208XBR, and Re-15. 8208 and Re-15 looked the same (a small stick powder). The 55gr VMAX round is nice, but it has a flat base. This makes it a little more difficult to set in the case for reloading than a boattail. From what I have found, a flat base bullet will perform great out to 200yds. Farther out the boattail improves the BC and helps with accuracy. Even if I am shooting <200yds, I like the boattail for reloading because it sits on the case better. The Sierra 55gr Blitzking is just like the VMAX bullet, but it has a boattail. On a side note, when I put the VMAX on my scale they were all slightly under 55gr and the Blitzking were all right at 55gr. The Blitzking also had a slightly smaller grouping. In both trials, I was pushing the bullets around 2700fps to get the tightest groups. I haven't shot moly bullets yet, but I am really considering getting into them when I get my match rifle. I have done some research on them and found that the only advantage is reduced barrel wear and fouling. Think of the moly as a lube to help the bullet squeeze down the barrel and reduce friction from the copper contacting the barrel lands and grooves. I haven't done any hunting for small game with my rifle because I live in Illinois. My research agrees with what others have already posted about hunting. Whether you are hunting or not, the 52gr matchking bullets have a reputation for being the most accurate. I am going to try them next. |
| Don't forget Hornady's and Sierra's 60 grain flat base hollow points. They are cheaper and shoot very well from most rifles. My favorite powders are extruded,Varget, N140, RE-15. You will run out of room in a .223 case before you get pressure problems with light bullets and these powders. Around 25.0 grains is plenty with any of them using 60 grain bullets. |
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after doing a little more looking around i think i might try the Sierra Varminter 60 Grain Hollow Point I use 24.7 grains of W748 under Honady's 60 grain Spire point and get sub-moa accuracy. I get the same accuracy with 21.8 grains of RL10-X under a 55 grain VMAX. |
| I use the 55 grain Nosler CT Ballistic Slivertips (with the lubalox coating), the 60 grain Nosler Ballistic tips and 55 grain Sierra Blitzking. All of these are the boat tails. I tried the Horaday V-Max and didn't get the consistant groups I wanted. I use both Varget and Benchmark powders with CCI 450 primers. |
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