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Posted: 6/12/2011 5:41:21 PM EDT
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Wow I just cleaned my rifle and it reminds me of cleaning my M-16 after firing blanks. Is there anything cleaner that will get the same results? Thanks |
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Also, Varget powder burns dirtier than Reloader 15.
I don't think Re-15 is a dirty burning powder.
unlike Varget is dirty at all ranges.
re-15 is very dirty burning powder use varget, it's very clean
No wonder people go nuts 
All gunpowder burns dirty. The differences are so small that I don't understand why there is so much angst over a trivial problem. Switching to a slightly faster gunpowder that requires less charge weight will make more difference than changing amongst nearly interchangeable gunpowders. Sometimes a hotter primer would help to insure complete combustion, it's too bad we have to screw around to find out exactly which ones to try. |
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All gunpowder burns dirty. The differences are so small that I don't understand why there is so much angst over a trivial problem. Because there's a HUGE variation in how dirty they burn. Years ago, I bought a couple cases of Winchester field and game shotgun shells for a ridiculously low price. And I bought some Remington field and game loads. One single shot with the Remington would leave my Beretta filthier than a full box of the Winchester. It was the difference between "hey, this is a little dirty" and "Dude, who dumped a pound of ground up coal dust in my shotgun?" I've seen nearly as large of a range in .223/5.56 loads as well. It's not as big of a deal in a bolt or pump gun, but in semi-autos, crap tends to get in a lot more places. |
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All gunpowder burns dirty. The differences are so small that I don't understand why there is so much angst over a trivial problem. Because there's a HUGE variation in how dirty they burn. Years ago, I bought a couple cases of Winchester field and game shotgun shells for a ridiculously low price. And I bought some Remington field and game loads. One single shot with the Remington would leave my Beretta filthier than a full box of the Winchester. It was the difference between "hey, this is a little dirty" and "Dude, who dumped a pound of ground up coal dust in my shotgun?" I've seen nearly as large of a range in .223/5.56 loads as well. It's not as big of a deal in a bolt or pump gun, but in semi-autos, crap tends to get in a lot more places. There's some variation. It ain't huge, and the amount of residue left behind is caused by more things than just the gunpowder. Then, you give examples in shotguns; you ain't shot a dirty shotgun powder until you try Rex 1 at ambient temps below 90F. It really comes on at 98F and leaves the bore clear of unburned residue, and at 30F you'll wonder whether there's a a point in using it at all. |
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Quoted: Also, Varget powder burns dirtier than Reloader 15. I don't think Re-15 is a dirty burning powder. unlike Varget is dirty at all ranges. re-15 is very dirty burning powder use varget, it's very clean No wonder people go nuts You have to take into account the source of those statements. Any idiot can post his personal opinion as gospel( I do all the time) but there are guys like AeroE, Dryflash, Molon and We-rBorg who know what they are talking about and I tend to give them a hell of a lot more weight in these discussions. |
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hell if you want dirty go with a light load of ball powder and don't crimp.
I've been shooting some milsurp WC844 with hornady 55 fmj's for offhand practice. That's right there is dirty. RL15 is not dirty for me, yea I'll have some carbon but nothing like WC844, BLC2, Win 748, or even IMR 4064 in the .30 cals. I get a light grey carbon with RL15 with 69's and 77's using Rem 7.5's and wolf's primers. I have a can of IMR 8208 and am not really seeing what the fuss is all about. Latest wonder powder (that I suspect is living off of hype). |
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Also, Varget powder burns dirtier than Reloader 15.
I don't think Re-15 is a dirty burning powder.
unlike Varget is dirty at all ranges.
re-15 is very dirty burning powder use varget, it's very clean
No wonder people go nuts
You have to take into account the source of those statements. Any idiot can post his personal opinion as gospel( I do all the time) but there are guys like AeroE, Dryflash, Molon and We-rBorg who know what they are talking about and I tend to give them a hell of a lot more weight in these discussions. Very true. You'll also notice, over time, that even those that know what they're talking about, have their own personal preferences though. DryFlash, for example, (and I've liked and respected many of his posts), seems to value metering way more than I. (Come on, RE-15 doesn't meter much better than Varget at all!) There is also a much greater appreciation on this particular forum for ball powders. (I'm very much biased towards extruded, based on what works for me, and my willingness to trickle and find sweet spots.) Different folks have different priorities. How clean a powder burns is at the absolute bottom of my personal handloading priorities. Guns get dirty every time I shoot. Regardless I have to run a few patches and clean them. No big deal. |
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In my tuned Redding PM, Re-15 meters better than Varget.
I no longer throw and trickle up charges with Re-15, I throw charges directly into the cases. Took some practice and good technique to get there. I could never get that confident with Varget, and I get the same accuracy with Re-15. IMR-8208 XBR measures almost like ball powder in my Redding PM. But that's single stage precession loads. The reason ball powders are so popular here is most of us load in bulk on progressives. Tac and other ball powders work the best in the Dillon and Hornady powder measures on these presses. 
Pic of PM with drop tube installed for use with Re-15 loads. |
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Dryflash;
I load RE 15 for short line (200-300) and 600 yrds on my Hornady. After I set the measure, I throw 10 charges before I even weigh them. Every time I adjust the measure, I throw another 10 and then weigh, usual no more adjustments needed. With a good technique, you'll get almost zero variation, I've also weighed charges if it seemed to hang and still zero variation. Even Varget was darn close, enough to shoot cleans at 200-300. 'Borg |
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I have not found it much dirtier than anything else. I prefer the smell of Alliant powders over Hodgdon, both on the reloading bench and at the range. Wonder what this statement will start?Hoppes #9 does it for me.  We had a discussion about the smell of Eley primed rimfire ammunition last night during our Vintage match. I had commented to the shooter next to me that I was going to put my drink in a different spot so it wouldn't catch empty cases and that they taste pretty much like they smell. We all like the smell of the ammo, but I'm not crazy about the flavor in my soda. [I finally won the autoloader sporter class last night with a 500-27X score. Third match of the year and I've dropped three points total so far putting me in second place in the other two matches. I'm not going to talk about my scores in the match rifle class. Since we're already off topic, if anyone is interested, here's what we shoot: Vintage Benchrest.] |
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I have not found it much dirtier than anything else. I prefer the smell of Alliant powders over Hodgdon, both on the reloading bench and at the range. Wonder what this statement will start?Hoppes #9 does it for me. We had a discussion about the smell of Eley primed rimfire ammunition last night during our Vintage match. I had commented to the shooter next to me that I was going to put my drink in a different spot so it wouldn't catch empty cases and that they taste pretty much like they smell. We all like the smell of the ammo, but I'm not crazy about the flavor in my soda. [I finally won the autoloader sporter class last night with a 500-27X score. Third match of the year and I've dropped three points total so far putting me in second place in the other two matches. I'm not going to talk about my scores in the match rifle class. Since we're already off topic, if anyone is interested, here's what we shoot: Vintage Benchrest.] Your link is broke. 
I used my moderator powers to fix both links. 
eta, Thanks for showing off your great powers.
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I've never understood the problem. Guns get dirty. I clean em after I shoot them. Problem solved. The problem is the carbon ring build up in the throat area with Varget. You have to continuously attack this area during routine cleaning to keep it building up to the point of causing over-pressuring. |
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The problem is the carbon ring build up in the throat area with Varget. You have to continuously attack this area during routine cleaning to keep it building up to the point of causing over-pressuring.
I have never seen or heard of that ever happening due to a specific brand of powder. You definitely have an issue with your brass, reloading process, pressure, chamber, etc. Myself and many others reload with Varget and don't have this problem. |
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The problem is the carbon ring build up in the throat area with Varget. You have to continuously attack this area during routine cleaning to keep it building up to the point of causing over-pressuring.
I have never seen or heard of that ever happening due to a specific brand of powder. You definitely have an issue with your brass, reloading process, pressure, chamber, etc. Myself and many others reload with Varget and don't have this problem. But a lot of people do, at least in the HP group where they shoot high loads at 600 yrds and have to watch the pressures. Having a bore scope, I can see it, thats one of the reasons I quit using Varget. 'Borg |
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