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5/11/2010 1:56:42 PM EDT
ok, so I kind of want some flechettes, sort of fore novelty, sort of for use down the road for who knows what.



I tried looking around and no one really sells them anymore, but I did find this place








so they are 1# bags for $15




I have no idea how many that really is because I cant find the actual weight of a single 155mm projectile flechette...  










I remember when they had them on CTD that the ones they sold could be shot from a bb gun (or so the reviewer said) and frankly that could lead to some fun










so my questions




is it really worth getting?

anyone else online sell them at a better price?

any idea on how many flechettes are in 1#?




any other interesting information anecdotes etc are welcomed.
5/11/2010 2:09:05 PM EDT
[#1]
cheaper than dirt sold them for awhile, and not to long ago(past 4 months). have you checked there?

i dont have any experiance with them, but they always gave me ideas when i saw them
5/11/2010 2:16:45 PM EDT
[#2]
Buckshot's better.

Plus if you were to actually shoot someone with them, they'd roast you in court.
5/11/2010 2:17:13 PM EDT
[#3]
In Florida it is illegal to manufacture Flechette "shells" and a Flechette shell is defined (in florida) as: "Flechette shell" means any shell that can be fired in a firearm and that expels two or more pieces of fin-stabilized solid metal wire or two or more solid dart-type projectiles. Check your local statutes.

Not sure about the number per pound but there are 7000 grains to a pound so if you could find the weight per you could figure it out.

PS: I used to shoot Strike Anywhere matches through my BB gun and they make a loud Bang when they hit something hard. It was great fun when I was a kid!!
5/11/2010 2:31:13 PM EDT
[#4]
There is a company on the net that sells ready to load Flechette wads  but I cannot remember the name of them.

<edit> here you go www.antipersonnel.net/sdllc/005.html
5/11/2010 2:35:04 PM EDT
[#5]
Flechettes

- AG
5/11/2010 2:56:45 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Flechettes

- AG


<click> add to favorites

the combo's look like the way to go for reloading(maybe)
5/11/2010 2:58:56 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Flechettes

- AG


<click> add to favorites

the combo's look like the way to go for reloading(maybe)


They have some good deals... especially on bandoleers/ re-pack kits.

- AG
5/11/2010 3:09:31 PM EDT
[#8]
If you are trying to find original 12ga dart loads I have no idea where to get them, but I do know that those are not them either. The rounds we carried were full brass shells with a plastic liner, similar to a power-piston of today. Basically a spray and pray round if ever there has been one. I agree Buckshot is better as in the #4B 3 or 3-1/2". Now those are bad news in any format.
5/11/2010 3:13:36 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
ok, so I kind of want some flechettes, sort of fore novelty, sort of for use down the road for who knows what.

I tried looking around and no one really sells them anymore, but I did find this place


so they are 1# bags for $15

I have no idea how many that really is because I cant find the actual weight of a single 155mm projectile flechette...  



I remember when they had them on CTD that the ones they sold could be shot from a bb gun (or so the reviewer said) and frankly that could lead to some fun



so my questions

is it really worth getting?
anyone else online sell them at a better price?
any idea on how many flechettes are in 1#?

any other interesting information anecdotes etc are welcomed.


155mm never used flechettes, they would fire killer junior instead.  

105mm M546 APERS (Anti-personnel) had 8000, 8 grain flechettes in them.
5/11/2010 3:14:24 PM EDT
[#10]
The US military/industrial complex was unable to develop an effective 12 gauge flechette load after years of trying.  Maybe, individual experimenters can come up with some thing better.  Hope never dies.

From everything that I have read the old flechette loads worked wonderfully well some times, and extremely poorly other times.  The SCIMITR was probably the best of the bunch.

Personal flechette weapons do seem to have done a lot better in the science fiction universe.  There they some times use osmium or iridium flechettes.  Even in the real world they experimented with tungsten carbide flechettes.

Myself, I am going back in time to the old ball & buck technology.  Not as sexy, perhaps, but effective.
5/11/2010 3:28:01 PM EDT
[#11]
hmm, I never intend to use them for defense, but if I could get them to work in a high powered pellet gun... well we do have a rabbit problem....  








5/11/2010 3:34:10 PM EDT
[#12]



Quoted:



Quoted:

ok, so I kind of want some flechettes, sort of fore novelty, sort of for use down the road for who knows what.



I tried looking around and no one really sells them anymore, but I did find this place








so they are 1# bags for $15




I have no idea how many that really is because I cant find the actual weight of a single 155mm projectile flechette...  










I remember when they had them on CTD that the ones they sold could be shot from a bb gun (or so the reviewer said) and frankly that could lead to some fun










so my questions




is it really worth getting?

anyone else online sell them at a better price?

any idea on how many flechettes are in 1#?




any other interesting information anecdotes etc are welcomed.




155mm never used flechettes, they would fire killer junior instead.  



105mm M546 APERS (Anti-personnel) had 8000, 8 grain flechettes in them.


the description said 155mm....

 






what you say makes more sense, esp with the other listing saying  ~900 pcs per #
5/11/2010 3:47:12 PM EDT
[#13]
We used to shoot them out of our 106's  (recoilless rifle) and I've seen what they do.  You must really hate your "rabbits"
5/11/2010 3:48:44 PM EDT
[#14]



Quoted:


We used to shoot them out of our 106's  (recoilless rifle) and I've seen what they do.  You must really hate your "rabbits"


im Meh, they are eating my moms plants though, so i figure I can do some pest control when i am home over the summer....  

 






also woodchucks under the barn.







I like my meat tenderized....
5/11/2010 3:52:37 PM EDT
[#15]
Are they small enough to shoot out of a .177?
5/11/2010 3:54:33 PM EDT
[#16]
Now, if I could find some for sell for a 40mm I'd so have a DD.
5/11/2010 4:20:08 PM EDT
[#17]



Quoted:


Are they small enough to shoot out of a .177?


hmmm... if they do

 






make a .22 cal sabot




shoot with 22 blank...... or a 5.56 blank....
5/11/2010 6:34:55 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:

Quoted:
We used to shoot them out of our 106's  (recoilless rifle) and I've seen what they do.  You must really hate your "rabbits"

im Meh, they are eating my moms plants though, so i figure I can do some pest control when i am home over the summer....    


also woodchucks under the barn.


I like my meat tenderized....


This made me blow tenderized chunks out my nose.

5/12/2010 2:34:45 AM EDT
[#19]
Nothing wrong with experiments…

In this pic, they are by a 5.56 X 45 round:



Length – 1.480” to 1.495”

Shank dia – 0.079”

Fin width – 0.195” to 0.200”
5/12/2010 8:04:42 AM EDT
[#20]
Use to wear them in my hat in Nam.
5/12/2010 8:26:12 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
The US military/industrial complex was unable to develop an effective 12 gauge flechette load after years of trying.  Maybe, individual experimenters can come up with some thing better.  Hope never dies.

From everything that I have read the old flechette loads worked wonderfully well some times, and extremely poorly other times.  The SCIMITR was probably the best of the bunch.

Personal flechette weapons do seem to have done a lot better in the science fiction universe.  There they some times use osmium or iridium flechettes.  Even in the real world they experimented with tungsten carbide flechettes.

Myself, I am going back in time to the old ball & buck technology.  Not as sexy, perhaps, but effective.


I see you read David Drake, too...

I think he got the idea from his time in Vietnam with the Blackhorse.  I've never really seen other authors use them.
5/12/2010 8:28:25 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Are they small enough to shoot out of a .177?

hmmm... if they do  


make a .22 cal sabot

shoot with 22 blank...... or a 5.56 blank....


Oh, man..

Remington smoothbore (not Routledge)
Plastic wall anchors, suitably modified.
Flechettes
.22 power loads.

'scuse me, I'll be right back...
5/12/2010 3:05:18 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
Quoted:
The US military/industrial complex was unable to develop an effective 12 gauge flechette load after years of trying.  Maybe, individual experimenters can come up with some thing better.  Hope never dies.

From everything that I have read the old flechette loads worked wonderfully well some times, and extremely poorly other times.  The SCIMITR was probably the best of the bunch.

Personal flechette weapons do seem to have done a lot better in the science fiction universe.  There they some times use osmium or iridium flechettes.  Even in the real world they experimented with tungsten carbide flechettes.

Myself, I am going back in time to the old ball & buck technology.  Not as sexy, perhaps, but effective.


I see you read David Drake, too...

I think he got the idea from his time in Vietnam with the Blackhorse.  I've never really seen other authors use them.



David drake? like his Some Golden Harbor?  Don't recall anything from him using flechette weps in there.

Now John Ringo mentions that wep system in Hell's Faire book. If I remember correctly when used in the volume they did in the book  things commonly turned into something akin to ground chuck.


Edit avid sci fi reader as well. including tom clancy.

5/13/2010 7:06:07 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:
Are they small enough to shoot out of a .177?

hmmm... if they do  


make a .22 cal sabot

shoot with 22 blank...... or a 5.56 blank....


Oh, man..

Remington smoothbore (not Routledge)
Plastic wall anchors, suitably modified.
Flechettes
.22 power loads.

'scuse me, I'll be right back...


Has anybody heard from R2point0 since this post?

5/13/2010 7:49:25 PM EDT
[#25]
We had some old flechette shotgun rounds when I was stationed at RAF Chicksands, 83-85. We went to RAF Molesworth and shot them off. At 50 meters they were penetrating 3/4 inch plywood sheets. They made a cool noise too!
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