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2/27/2010 5:22:11 PM EDT
OK, so I have a descent stock of powders available.

Varget
IMR 4064
IMR 4895
RL-15
AA3100
H335
H4350
LIL' GUN
TiteGroup
Bullseye

and about 3 others I cannot recall right this second.

My question is, when I see a powder listed for a load but I don't have it, but I do have a powder very close to it on the burn chart. Is it ok to use the powder with caution or am I am asking for trouble?

Here is my example:

I want to load 50GR Varmint grenades for my AR. The powders Barne's listed are RL10x and AA2520. According to my Hornady manual, Varget and RL15 are very close to AA2520 on the burn chart. But then I checked my Sierra manual and for another load I plan on working up, it has RL15 and Varget listed, and their max charges are almost 3 grains apart. This leads me to believe that they have drastically different burn rates.  I don't want to create any dangerous situation and I like my face and fingers arranged just the way they are. So is it safe to proceed with caution checking for high pressure signs? Any help is much appreciated.
2/27/2010 5:32:30 PM EDT
[#1]
Stick with published load data.

Burn rate charts are dependant on many factors.

You might have powder A that burns faster than B which burns faster than C in a particular setup, but their burn rates are completely different in another cartridge.

Stick with published load data, or else you're taking a very real risk.
2/27/2010 6:03:04 PM EDT
[#2]
The 50gr Varmint Grenade is longer than a standard 50gr Cup n' Core bullet.  DO NOT replace other manuals 50gr load data for the 50 gr Barnes Varmint Grenade.  It requires a 1/10" twist.

Look at 60gr to 63gr load data as a starting point.
2/27/2010 6:17:53 PM EDT
[#3]
I don't think I was clear with what I first posted. i mean I still meant to use close to or less the their posted minimums for the powders that were close on the listed powder on the burn chart. I would never just assume that load data can be universal. Guess I will just have to go buy some RL10X or some AA2520. What is a more universal powder? AA2520 or RL10X?
2/27/2010 6:57:39 PM EDT
[#4]
Your question was clear enough and the answers were clear enough. Do Not interchange data according to burn rate charts. If you cannot find data for a specific use then do not use it until you find data to support its use.
2/27/2010 6:57:56 PM EDT
[#5]
Using burn rates to substitute a different powder from published data is not a good idea.

Depending on the cartridge, you can get in trouble fast. Think Ka-boom.

Use published data. Check on line, (free data) and buy more reloading manuals.

Please be safe.
2/27/2010 7:31:57 PM EDT
[#6]
If I cannot find data for a particluar load I won't do it. I'll stick with published information just to be on the safe side.
2/28/2010 3:32:08 AM EDT
[#7]
Thanks guys. Guess I will just go buy more powders. Gives me a reason to go buy more reloading shit...
2/28/2010 4:24:05 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Thanks guys. Guess I will just go buy more powders. Gives me a reason to go buy more reloading shit...


A much better plan sir.

2/28/2010 4:42:41 AM EDT
[#9]
Good advice.  The problem is that while burn rate (rate of conversion from solid to hot gas) is important, the other oft. overlooked item is total energy density.  That can vary from powder to powder even with close or identical burn rate.  In other words for a given grain of powder how much volume of hot gas is produced at constant pressure.  Or for constant volume and a given weight what is the difference in maximum pressure produced.
2/28/2010 6:11:27 AM EDT
[#10]
I'd be cautious


not a good place to be.

Good luck Stay safe
2/28/2010 1:55:55 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Thanks guys. Guess I will just go buy more powders. Gives me a reason to go buy more reloading shit...


Yes, but when your shelves are cluttered with 1/3 filled cans, you will think better of this.

Personally, I do not like RL-10X.

AA-2520 is a great heavy bullet powder and I use it, along with TAC and AA-2460, in my 6.8 and 6.5.

With that said, I find H-4895 sooo damn useful that I wonder why it took me so long to figure this out.
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