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10/27/2009 3:06:15 PM EDT
Ok, so I need to get into reloading. Badly. Mainly for .223, but would like to branch into .308, 9mm, and .45 as I get more guns to shoot those calibers.





I read all the links at the top, looked at all the sites online and think I've picked a decent setup, but, having no experience with reloading, I can't honestly tell if I am missing something?





Goal is to reload common brass (some has military primer crimp) and once fired Wolf (the re loadable kind obviously) with 62gr SS109 bullets, RamShot TAC powder, and Small Rifle Magnum primers. I've got all the brass handled already.





Here is the equipment list I've put together. What do you think? I have all the time in the world, so I don't need a real fast setup, just something decently priced that gets me reloading for about .25 cents a round for the first 5K (this is what my list is set to right now)... Your opinions? I am a total n00b so feel free to criticize and call me an idiot if something is wrong







List:
COMPONENTS









1.      
5000 5.56mm Small MAGNUM Rifle
Primers – Wideners - $140.00









2.      
16lbs RamShot TAC Powder – Wideners -
$236









3.      
5000 62gr FMJSCBT SS109 Bullets – Wideners
- $460.00




EQUIPMENT









1.      
Lee Classic Turret Press (4 hole) –
Midway USA - $94.99 Bud’s Gun Shop $87.00









2.      
Lee Pro-Auto Disc Powder Measure –
Midway USA - $32.99









3.      
Lee Safety Prime Priming Unit (small
primers) – Midway USA - $14.99









4.      
Lee Deluxe 3 Die Set (.223 Remington)
– Midway USA - $28.99









5.      
Lee Auto Disc Powder Measure Riser –
Midway USA - $7.19









6.      
RCBS Vibratory Case Tumbler 110 Volt –
Midway USA - $67.99









7.      
Frankford Arsenal 15lb Corn Cob Media
– Midway USA - $29.99









8.      
Frankford Arsenal 32oz Case Polish –
Midway USA - $22.49









9.      
Lee Zip Trim – Midway USA - $18.99









10.  
Lee Case Trimmer Cutter and Lock Stud
– Midway USA - $4.99









11.  
Lee Chamfer Tool – Midway USA - $2.79









12.  
Lee Case Length Gauge Tool (.223) –
Midway USA - $4.49









13.  
RCBS Case Lube 4oz – Midway USA -
$5.98









14.  
Frankfort Arsenal Micro Reloading
Scale – Midway USA - $29.99









15.  
Frankfort Arsenal Electronic Calipers
– Midway USA - $21.99






and a hornady primer pocket cleaner and reamer.












So what do you think?


 
10/27/2009 3:13:39 PM EDT
[#1]
Get something other than the auto disk powder measure. i know some one will ocme alonf to praise it but im saying you should get the hornady or RCBS powder measure and get the progressive attachments for them. other than that you starting off pretty good.


Scott
10/27/2009 3:15:19 PM EDT
[#2]
And wolf is a non realoadable round if its steel. if its brass your g2g.


Scott
10/27/2009 3:15:52 PM EDT
[#3]
AND ORDER MORE PRIMERS THAN THAT.
10/27/2009 3:32:28 PM EDT
[#4]



Quoted:


And wolf is a non realoadable round if its steel. if its brass your g2g.





Scott


Lol even I know that's bullshit and I'm a total n00b
There's a whole tutorial dedicated to how to do it in the tutorial section




But I'll take everything else into consideration, especially the more primers




 
10/27/2009 3:38:01 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Ok, so I need to get into reloading. Badly. Mainly for .223, but would like to branch into .308, 9mm, and .45 as I get more guns to shoot those calibers.

I read all the links at the top, looked at all the sites online and think I've picked a decent setup, but, having no experience with reloading, I can't honestly tell if I am missing something?

Goal is to reload common brass (some has military primer crimp) and once fired Wolf (the re loadable kind obviously) with 62gr SS109 bullets, RamShot TAC powder, and Small Rifle Magnum primers. I've got all the brass handled already.

Here is the equipment list I've put together. What do you think? I have all the time in the world, so I don't need a real fast setup, just something decently priced that gets me reloading for about .25 cents a round for the first 5K (this is what my list is set to right now)... Your opinions? I am a total n00b so feel free to criticize and call me an idiot if something is wrong

List:

COMPONENTS

1.      5000 5.56mm Small MAGNUM RiflePrimers – Wideners - $140.00

2.      16lbs RamShot TAC Powder – Wideners -$236

3.      5000 62gr FMJSCBT SS109 Bullets – Wideners- $460.00

EQUIPMENT

1.      Lee Classic Turret Press (4 hole) –Midway USA - $94.99 Bud’s Gun Shop $87.00

2.      Lee Pro-Auto Disc Powder Measure –Midway USA - $32.99

3.      Lee Safety Prime Priming Unit (smallprimers) – Midway USA - $14.99

4.      Lee Deluxe 3 Die Set (.223 Remington)– Midway USA - $28.99

5.      Lee Auto Disc Powder Measure Riser –Midway USA - $7.19

6.      RCBS Vibratory Case Tumbler 110 Volt –Midway USA - $67.99

7.      Frankford Arsenal 15lb Corn Cob Media– Midway USA - $29.99

8.      Frankford Arsenal 32oz Case Polish –Midway USA - $22.49

9.      Lee Zip Trim – Midway USA - $18.99

10.  Lee Case Trimmer Cutter and Lock Stud– Midway USA - $4.99

11.  Lee Chamfer Tool – Midway USA - $2.79

12.  Lee Case Length Gauge Tool (.223) –Midway USA - $4.49

13.  RCBS Case Lube 4oz – Midway USA -$5.98

14.  Frankfort Arsenal Micro ReloadingScale – Midway USA - $29.99

15.  Frankfort Arsenal Electronic Calipers– Midway USA - $21.99

and a hornady primer pocket cleaner and reamer.




So what do you think?  


I would look at maybe two different powders instead of just one in case your rifle doesnt like TAC, maybe some Varget or RL15  also.

You'll need to add the Lee Factory crimp die to your die list.

You'll need the Lee double disk kit for throwing rifle charges.

I would get dial calipers instead of digital, they are much more user friendly and accurate if you ask me and I have 7-8 set of calipers.
10/27/2009 3:45:01 PM EDT
[#6]



Quoted:



Quoted:

<snip>





I would look at maybe two different powders instead of just one in case your rifle doesnt like TAC, maybe some Varget or RL15  also.



You'll need to add the Lee Factory crimp die to your die list.



You'll need the Lee double disk kit for throwing rifle charges.



I would get dial calipers instead of digital, they are much more user friendly and accurate if you ask me and I have 7-8 set of calipers.


Ok, thanks for that.





 
10/27/2009 3:55:25 PM EDT
[#7]
If you have the $ to spend I recommend a RCBS auto powder charge/electronic scale combo. Reloading will be much easier not to mention faster. I use it with a single stage Rock Chucker.

Mike
10/27/2009 4:03:55 PM EDT
[#8]



Quoted:


If you have the $ to spend I recommend a RCBS auto powder charge/electronic scale combo. Reloading will be much easier not to mention faster. I use it with a single stage Rock Chucker.



Mike


Trying not to spend anymore money than I have already in this list... Is this option a serious improvement? Speed means nothing to me, I have plenty of time and it will give me something to do...



 
10/27/2009 4:28:15 PM EDT
[#9]
Do not get the micro reloading scale.  I bought one and could not get it to calibrate.  Emailed FA and they sent me THIS one and did not even want the micro back.  Seemed to me like they have had a lot of problems with that scale.  I bought a Lyman scale that I use now and keep the replacement FA as a backup.  The old Micro scale will be a target one of these days.
10/27/2009 4:50:34 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Ok, so I need to get into reloading. Badly. Mainly for .223, but would like to branch into .308, 9mm, and .45 as I get more guns to shoot those calibers.

I read all the links at the top, looked at all the sites online and think I've picked a decent setup, but, having no experience with reloading, I can't honestly tell if I am missing something?

Goal is to reload common brass (some has military primer crimp) and once fired Wolf (the re loadable kind obviously) with 62gr SS109 bullets, RamShot TAC powder, and Small Rifle Magnum primers. I've got all the brass handled already.

Here is the equipment list I've put together. What do you think? I have all the time in the world, so I don't need a real fast setup, just something decently priced that gets me reloading for about .25 cents a round for the first 5K (this is what my list is set to right now)... Your opinions? I am a total n00b so feel free to criticize and call me an idiot if something is wrong

List:

COMPONENTS

1.      5000 5.56mm Small MAGNUM RiflePrimers – Wideners - $140.00

2.      16lbs RamShot TAC Powder – Wideners -$236

3.      5000 62gr FMJSCBT SS109 Bullets – Wideners- $460.00

EQUIPMENT

1.      Lee Classic Turret Press (4 hole) –Midway USA - $94.99 Bud’s Gun Shop $87.00

2.      Lee Pro-Auto Disc Powder Measure –Midway USA - $32.99

3.      Lee Safety Prime Priming Unit (smallprimers) – Midway USA - $14.99

4.      Lee Deluxe 3 Die Set (.223 Remington)– Midway USA - $28.99

5.      Lee Auto Disc Powder Measure Riser –Midway USA - $7.19

6.      RCBS Vibratory Case Tumbler 110 Volt –Midway USA - $67.99

7.      Frankford Arsenal 15lb Corn Cob Media– Midway USA - $29.99

8.      Frankford Arsenal 32oz Case Polish –Midway USA - $22.49

9.      Lee Zip Trim – Midway USA - $18.99

10.  Lee Case Trimmer Cutter and Lock Stud– Midway USA - $4.99

11.  Lee Chamfer Tool – Midway USA - $2.79

12.  Lee Case Length Gauge Tool (.223) –Midway USA - $4.49

13.  RCBS Case Lube 4oz – Midway USA -$5.98

14.  Frankfort Arsenal Micro ReloadingScale – Midway USA - $29.99

15.  Frankfort Arsenal Electronic Calipers– Midway USA - $21.99

and a hornady primer pocket cleaner and reamer.




So what do you think?  


Which brand of magnum primers? I suggest  Wolf SRM.

Need a caliper to measure case and cartridge OAL. ( over all length) This is a must have.

I don't know Lee equipment, so no comment. I have RCBS, Hornady, Lyman, Dillon.

I suggest you get a case gauge for 223, I suggest the Dillon.

You use it for setting your sizing die. (Sizing die not set correctly, rounds won't chamber)

No mention of dies, also need a shell holder for each caliber.

45 ACP and 308 do use the same shell holder.

You will need reloading manuals. I suggest Hornady 7 or Sierra 5 to start. Eventually you will end up with 4 or 5.

You don't need a powder measure scale combo to start, too much $$ anyway.

Tac is a great powder for SS-109 loads.


eta, the FA digital scale is not worth the money.

Mine works, but does the auto shut off way too soon. I rarely use it.
10/27/2009 4:56:28 PM EDT
[#11]
This is serious:

I got into reloading to save money, but I don't have time or patience for any of that stuff you listed.

The only way I would ever reload was with a Dillon 550B + the dillon 1200T casetrimmer - end of story. With this system you will end up with two tool-heads, so the first round through the machine you get prep'd brass, then teh second go through you get complete rounds. Simple as pie, takes about 1 hour per 200. End of story. Anything else is going to take FOREVER...especially all those cheap LEE junk tools like the trimmer and reamer and etc. Yea, they work..but SLOW as christmas. If you are that fudd at the range that has the little box of 20 handmade rounds, then LEE is your setup...otherwise you are going to need to knock it up a notch in th eaccessories department. The press may work for ya, it's not the issue in my mind - it's all the rest of the process that is going to slow you down to a crawl..especialyl if you add in swageing
10/27/2009 5:07:47 PM EDT
[#12]



Quoted:



Quoted:

<snip>





Which brand of magnum primers? I suggest  Wolf SRM. Yes, I'm going with Wolf



Need a caliper to measure case and cartridge OAL. ( over all length) This is a must have. Have a caliper on the list (#15, but switching to non-digital calipers)



I don't know Lee equipment, so no comment. I have RCBS, Hornady, Lyman, Dillon.



I suggest you get a case gauge for 223, I suggest the Dillon. On the list, #12. Lee .223 Case guage



You use it for setting your sizing die. (Sizing die not set correctly, rounds won't chamber)



No mention of dies, also need a shell holder for each caliber. Lee 3 Deluxe 3 Die Set & Lee Crimper



45 ACP and 308 do use the same shell holder.



You will need reloading manuals. I suggest Hornady 7 or Sierra 5 to start. Eventually you will end up with 4 or 5.



You don't need a powder measure scale combo to start, too much $$ anyway.



Tac is a great powder for SS-109 loads. Good, for now I want to focus on SS109 rounds, my rifle likes them the best.





eta, the FA digital scale is not worth the money.



Mine works, but does the auto shut off way too soon. I rarely use it. Going to get a better scale for sure.







 
10/27/2009 5:09:41 PM EDT
[#13]



Quoted:


This is serious:



I got into reloading to save money, but I don't have time or patience for any of that stuff you listed.



The only way I would ever reload was with a Dillon 550B + the dillon 1200T casetrimmer - end of story. With this system you will end up with two tool-heads, so the first round through the machine you get prep'd brass, then teh second go through you get complete rounds. Simple as pie, takes about 1 hour per 200. End of story. Anything else is going to take FOREVER...especially all those cheap LEE junk tools like the trimmer and reamer and etc. Yea, they work..but SLOW as christmas. If you are that fudd at the range that has the little box of 20 handmade rounds, then LEE is your setup...otherwise you are going to need to knock it up a notch in th eaccessories department. The press may work for ya, it's not the issue in my mind - it's all the rest of the process that is going to slow you down to a crawl..especialyl if you add in swageing


See, I have the patience (no knocking you at all), and I need something to do with my spare time. Also, the high end dillon is simply too much money at this time and not enough benefit. I'm not looking to do 10K rounds in a month. I need like 5K a year at most, maybe a few more for heavy shoots. Plus, I like to get the feel of doing something by hand so I know what exactly goes on before I move into an automated quick setup.





 
10/27/2009 5:17:06 PM EDT
[#14]
Nothing wrong with loading single stage,  and it's a good way to learn reloading.

A cheap tip, go to the library and checkout a copy of "ABC's of Reloading".
10/27/2009 7:22:50 PM EDT
[#15]
I would suggest the RCBS Range Master 750 as a GOOD scale that will serve you well and last a long time plus RCBS  has some of the best service if they stop working or something if you don't want to go over the ~$100 price range.

I have all the tools you have mentioned and have upgraded all of them so I can tell you which ones will be the first to go.

First the zip trim, it will be faster and easier to just chuck the Lee shell holder in a drill and stick the cutter in the case rather than pulling a string every case. Get the Lee Case Spinner Spindle with Drill Shank for use with 3 Jaw Chuck and the Lee Zip Trim Case Trimmer Universal 3 Jaw Chuck Case Holder and use a drill instead of the Zip trim, still works withe the Lee cutter and case length gauge.

I now use a Hornady Cam-Lock trimmer and an RCBS Trim Mate with different misc tools to prep all my brass.

The Lee case gauge is not a drop in case gauge like mentioned above, it's just the length gauge that screws into the cutter to give you proper trim length. You need a Dillon or Wilson drop in case gauge to check headspace with, even better that that would be the Hornady or Sinclair Bump gauge kit that uses your calipers to measure headspace and how much you bump the case shoulder back when sizing.

Lee dies come with a shell holder unlike all other dies.

I would also suggest a bench mounted powder measure even if it's the cheap Lee perfect powder measure(throws Varget better than all the expensive powder measures come close to), you'll want to throw and measure every charge at some point and doing it off the press using the auto disk is going to be a pain. I like the Hornady powder measure better than the RCBS and the Redding BR3 even better since I have and use all three.

Forget the Lee chamfering tool and get the RCBS, Hornady, Wilson, Sinclair, any other chamfering/deburring tool and you'll thank me later.

The Hornady primer pocket reamer and cleaner are the best for cleaning and removing Mil. crimps, just don't know how tiring it will be by hand, I use them in my Trim Mate.
10/27/2009 7:36:32 PM EDT
[#16]



Quoted:


I would suggest the RCBS Range Master 750 as a GOOD scale that will serve you well and last a long time plus RCBS  has some of the best service if they stop working or something if you don't want to go over the ~$100 price range.



I have all the tools you have mentioned and have upgraded all of them so I can tell you which ones will be the first to go.



First the zip trim, it will be faster and easier to just chuck the Lee shell holder in a drill and stick the cutter in the case rather than pulling a string every case. I now use a Hornady Cam-Lock trimmer and an RCBS Trim Mate with different misc tools to prep all my brass.



The Lee case gauge is not a drop in case gauge like mentioned above, it's just the length gauge that screws into the cutter to give you proper trim length. You need a Dillon or Wilson drop in case gauge to check headspace with, even better that that would be the Hornady or Sinclair Bump gauge kit that uses your calipers to measure headspace and how much you bump the case shoulder back when sizing.



Lee dies come with a shell holder unlike all other dies.



I would also suggest a bench mounted powder measure even if it's the cheap Lee perfect powder measure(throws Varget better than all the expensive powder measures come close to), you'll want to throw and measure every charge at some point and doing it off the press using the auto disk is going to be a pain. I like the Hornady powder measure better than the RCBS and the Redding BR3 even better since I have and use all three.



Forget the Lee chamfering tool and get the RCBS, Hornady, Wilson, Sinclair, any other chamfering/deburring tool and you'll thank me later.



The Hornady primer pocket reamer and cleaner are the best for cleaning and removing Mil. crimps, just don't know how tiring it will be by hand, I use them in my Trim Mate.



Thanks for all of that! I'll look into it more tomorrow when I can understand it better






 
10/27/2009 7:50:28 PM EDT
[#17]
I just got all my stuff today and went with the digital calipers lol.


went with Lee gear.
10/27/2009 8:00:05 PM EDT
[#18]
Digital calipers work well also, they just don't give the piece of mind you get from dial calipers since you can see what the needle is doing better than you can fluctuating numbers on digital calipers. I have both and prefer the dial calipers for most task while reloading.
10/27/2009 8:23:40 PM EDT
[#19]
To "piggy-back," on this 223 reloading thread, Here is two questions that I have.
I have multiple 5.56 and 223 chambered weapons, Ruger bolt varmint. Mini-14's, Stevens 200 Bolt (very accurate and a joy to carry once I worked on trigger) DPMS Predator, Colt HBAR and Interarms Mini-Mauser. So obviously there are very likely going to be a lot of chamber dimension variances between them, I also want to reload for them and the die set I have is an older RCBS 223 FL set, I really don't want to try and keep all the fired brass separated. should I get a "small base die set?" Do you think that I should at least keep the fired brass segregated as far as auto vs Bolt gun? and finally all the small rifle primers that I could find was CCI marked for use in 5.56 automatic rifles (I think its a thicker or tougher primer to help reduce the likelihood of slam fires?" Needless to say, There are different rates of twist to consider as to bullet weights. What do you guys think I should do?
10/27/2009 8:37:00 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
To "piggy-back," on this 223 reloading thread, Here is two questions that I have.
I have multiple 5.56 and 223 chambered weapons, Ruger bolt varmint. Mini-14's, Stevens 200 Bolt (very accurate and a joy to carry once I worked on trigger) DPMS Predator, Colt HBAR and Interarms Mini-Mauser. So obviously there are very likely going to be a lot of chamber dimension variances between them, I also want to reload for them and the die set I have is an older RCBS 223 FL set, I really don't want to try and keep all the fired brass separated. should I get a "small base die set?" Do you think that I should at least keep the fired brass segregated as far as auto vs Bolt gun? and finally all the small rifle primers that I could find was CCI marked for use in 5.56 automatic rifles (I think its a thicker or tougher primer to help reduce the likelihood of slam fires?" Needless to say, There are different rates of twist to consider as to bullet weights. What do you guys think I should do?


Get a Hornady/Stoney Point headspace tool.  Measure fired cases from each firearm, then set the sizer die to yield about 0.002 inches of headspace on the shortest case.  If that means more than 0.008 inches in the longest chamber, then I would segregate the brass into two lots, one for the longest chambers and one for the shortest chambers.  Not ideal, but I doubt you'll have to do that, either.

You do not need a small base sizer; it won't accomplish what you're after.
10/28/2009 7:02:51 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Quoted:
To "piggy-back," on this 223 reloading thread, Here is two questions that I have.
I have multiple 5.56 and 223 chambered weapons, Ruger bolt varmint. Mini-14's, Stevens 200 Bolt (very accurate and a joy to carry once I worked on trigger) DPMS Predator, Colt HBAR and Interarms Mini-Mauser. So obviously there are very likely going to be a lot of chamber dimension variances between them, I also want to reload for them and the die set I have is an older RCBS 223 FL set, I really don't want to try and keep all the fired brass separated. should I get a "small base die set?" Do you think that I should at least keep the fired brass segregated as far as auto vs Bolt gun? and finally all the small rifle primers that I could find was CCI marked for use in 5.56 automatic rifles (I think its a thicker or tougher primer to help reduce the likelihood of slam fires?" Needless to say, There are different rates of twist to consider as to bullet weights. What do you guys think I should do?


Get a Hornady/Stoney Point headspace tool.  Measure fired cases from each firearm, then set the sizer die to yield about 0.002 inches of headspace on the shortest case.  If that means more than 0.008 inches in the longest chamber, then I would segregate the brass into two lots, one for the longest chambers and one for the shortest chambers.  Not ideal, but I doubt you'll have to do that, either.

You do not need a small base sizer; it won't accomplish what you're after.


Just what I was going to say, I'm learning as AeroE is a good teacher when it comes to reloading.
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