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10/27/2009 2:34:39 PM EDT
What's the hive's top choice for 7.62X39 ??

I'll be loading for a Saiga SGL21.

Powders on hand are  AA2230, TAC, H335, H4198

Thanks for the input.
10/27/2009 2:49:27 PM EDT
[#1]
AA1680 powder and 123 gr FMJ .311" projectiles and you're good to go.



Remington brass used to be 100% small primered, I've heard reports of some RP brass with large rifle primers that are a plus.  



Seat the bullet at or below factory ammo like Wolf, etc.  Work up your loads, test fire them, and go for it.



Your brass from an AK will most like get a dent midway on the side of the case and still evident after resizing and reloading, I reloaded such cases and had no problems



For extra security I use the Lee Factory Crimp Dies on all my 762x39 loads
10/27/2009 4:46:37 PM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
AA1680 powder and 123 gr FMJ .311" projectiles and you're good to go.

Remington brass used to be 100% small primered, I've heard reports of some RP brass with large rifle primers that are a plus.  

Seat the bullet at or below factory ammo like Wolf, etc.  Work up your loads, test fire them, and go for it.

Your brass from an AK will most like get a dent midway on the side of the case and still evident after resizing and reloading, I reloaded such cases and had no problems

For extra security I use the Lee Factory Crimp Dies on all my 762x39 loads



+1 for 1680

I have also used win 296 with 110 gr rn (.308) and imr4895  with 147gr fmj (.308) both worked fine for what i use it for plinking.. i also use the 110 in my carbine loads along with 296 for 147 i use it in my 308 and 30-06 loads. so its a win win for me accruacy is ok not the best

10/27/2009 5:09:35 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
AA1680 powder and 123 gr FMJ .311" projectiles and you're good to go.

Remington brass used to be 100% small primered, I've heard reports of some RP brass with large rifle primers that are a plus.  

Seat the bullet at or below factory ammo like Wolf, etc.  Work up your loads, test fire them, and go for it.

Your brass from an AK will most like get a dent midway on the side of the case and still evident after resizing and reloading, I reloaded such cases and had no problems

For extra security I use the Lee Factory Crimp Dies on all my 762x39 loads



I started with "other" powders, but AA-1680 is THE powder for 7.62 x 39.

You just can't get enough of the "other" powders in the case.

AA-1680 was designed for 7.62 x 39, and it performs like it.


I use PMC, Win, and IMI brass. Wolf LR primers, .311 surplus bullets.

Some 7.62 x 39 p0rn to inspire you.


Surplus bullets, new IMI brass, some loaded rounds.


About half way through a reloading session.


1k loaded, inspect and store in ammo can with a card that lists loading data.

My ammo shoots great and is a little more accurate than Wolf.

I also use a Lee FCD.


10/29/2009 4:25:56 AM EDT
[#4]
You did not list a bullet weight, so I 'm going to assume you are talking something in the 123gr range.

 Of the powders you have listed,

2230 works well, but velocity sucks

Tac is to slow burning for the 7.62x39

H335 works, but is is pretty slow burning as well

H 4198 give pretty good velocities and would be my choice here.

 Other powders I like are 1680, 322 and N-130
10/29/2009 5:24:00 AM EDT
[#5]
I have used 2400 for some plinking loads. also some .32 bullets are .311-.312
10/29/2009 9:21:49 AM EDT
[#6]
I've used 1680 and RL-7.  I couldn't chrono the loads, so I can't comment.  Accuracy was about equal, but it's hard to tell on an AK w/ irons.

I stick with RL-7 now since it's easier for me to get around here and I can use it in .223 in a pinch.  But, a lot of people love 1680.
10/29/2009 9:55:44 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Quoted:
AA1680 powder and 123 gr FMJ .311" projectiles and you're good to go.

Remington brass used to be 100% small primered, I've heard reports of some RP brass with large rifle primers that are a plus.  

Seat the bullet at or below factory ammo like Wolf, etc.  Work up your loads, test fire them, and go for it.

Your brass from an AK will most like get a dent midway on the side of the case and still evident after resizing and reloading, I reloaded such cases and had no problems

For extra security I use the Lee Factory Crimp Dies on all my 762x39 loads



+1 for 1680

I have also used win 296 with 110 gr rn (.308) and imr4895  with 147gr fmj (.308) both worked fine for what i use it for plinking.. i also use the 110 in my carbine loads along with 296 for 147 i use it in my 308 and 30-06 loads. so its a win win for me accruacy is ok not the best



Same here. I did use some N-120 back in the mid-nineties, which worked good...but not available anymore. Accuracy is relative in an AK.
10/29/2009 10:05:33 AM EDT
[#8]
I have 4000 pieces of brass for my AK, but ammo prices just never got high enough to justify it. Now Yugo brass cased is less than $200/k.
10/29/2009 1:29:55 PM EDT
[#9]
I have used RL7, H4198, AA2015, and Hercules 2400 with my Lee cast boolits (155 grain w/gas check).

Velocity runs from 1900 to low 2000's with mild pressure loads.    They shoot great in my SKS.   At least as good as Ruskie milsurp.  

The powders you listed, i'd use H4198.   It's burning range is about perfect for this little case.
10/29/2009 2:47:06 PM EDT
[#10]
I have found the remington brass to be thin and too soft. I would choose another brand for the 7.62x39. Haven't had a problem with other calibers, just the ak.
10/30/2009 9:38:20 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
I have found the remington brass to be thin and too soft. I would choose another brand for the 7.62x39. Haven't had a problem with other calibers, just the ak.


Remington 7.62x39 brass uses a small rifle primer.  Most (all?) other brands use a large rifle primer.  Sort accordingly.
10/30/2009 11:17:01 AM EDT
[#12]
Oh where, pray tell me, did you get all of that lovely boxer primed brass?
Tell me it is not Star Line or some other very pricie commercial stuff. Thank you
for the interesting post.  Fine laoding set up.
10/30/2009 4:58:12 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Oh where, pray tell me, did you get all of that lovely boxer primed brass?
Tell me it is not Star Line or some other very pricie commercial stuff. Thank you
for the interesting post.  Fine laoding set up.


He's showing off his stockpile of IMI (Israeli Military Industries) 7.62X39mm brass that Widener's ran a special on earlier this year. Around $170.00 per thousand for the best (other than Lapua) brass there is.

To make matters worse they also ran IMI .308 for about the same price. Needless to say they sold out quick.

10/30/2009 6:08:03 PM EDT
[#14]
Thank you, Borderpatrol, for your reply.  I'll keep an out for the IMI.
10/30/2009 6:34:57 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Oh where, pray tell me, did you get all of that lovely boxer primed brass?
Tell me it is not Star Line or some other very pricie commercial stuff. Thank you
for the interesting post.  Fine laoding set up.


He's showing off his stockpile of IMI (Israeli Military Industries) 7.62X39mm brass that Widener's ran a special on earlier this year. Around $170.00 per thousand for the best (other than Lapua) brass there is.

To make matters worse they also ran IMI .308 for about the same price. Needless to say they sold out quick.



Correct, the IMI brass is top quality.

Got the bullets at Wideners also. .311, 147 gr FMJBT steel core. Last time they had them, $152 for 2k included shipping.

It ammo I loaded shoots great.
10/31/2009 4:18:43 AM EDT
[#16]
About 3 or 4 years ago I bought 6K or so once fired 762x39 brass from eBay for about 6 cents each




I used projectiles from GoldenWestBrass, back then they were $55/K, I bought 4K, then they went up to $70/K, I bought 4K more



Now they're $110/K http://www.goldenwestbrass.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=GWB-054



I had factory sealed case of 124gr FMJ projectiles from Winchester back when you could buy bulk bullets like that.



I also have some IMI 762x39 brass from Wideners.  I bought 2K and dipped into 500 pieces of them.   In the late 90's they were $90/K
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