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9/7/2009 2:12:35 AM EDT
anyone use this setup?



http://www.ch4d.com/catalog/?p=57
Knowing my history with things, i need something kinda idiot proof.
9/7/2009 6:17:15 AM EDT
[#1]
I passed right past that tool on CH-4D's site.  I wouldn't be afraid to buy one.  I like that set up.  Access to every part is good and it should be easy to adjust.

The price with the priming stem is the same as for the RCBS swage tool.
9/7/2009 6:30:27 AM EDT
[#2]
Totally different design than the RCBS PP swager.

Looks as if the web dimention will have no effect on the swaging, that's a plus.

Never used one, but it looks OK to me.

If you get one, please post a review.

Welcome to Arfcom, and the Reloadfing Forum.
9/7/2009 7:42:28 AM EDT
[#3]
Checkout the process.........

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/squeezeplay2/index.asp

Despite what the article says.  Sorry but, I would be worried about the rim of the cases while the tool's spud was doing it's job.  

I'll stick to my reamer tool.  

Aloha, Mark

9/7/2009 8:27:22 AM EDT
[#4]



Quoted:


Checkout the process.........



http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/squeezeplay2/index.asp



Despite what the article says.  Sorry but, I would be worried about the rim of the cases while the tool's spud was doing it's job.  



I'll stick to my reamer tool.  



Aloha, Mark






Mark,



In your opinion, which reamer tool takes the least off, but still gets the job done?




I'm torn between swaging and reaming with  an RCBS case prep and whatever reamer I can make fit the case prep (or a drill, or drill press, or whatever). I plan on prepping several thousand rounds of brass this winter, and come next year when I join a local gun club, I plan on picking up and processing tons of brass for friends and family. So I want something fast and reliable...but all these articles sound like nothing is quite 100% perfect for one reason or another.





 
9/7/2009 9:04:42 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
anyone use this setup?

http://www.ch4d.com/catalog/?p=57



Knowing my history with things, i need something kinda idiot proof.


That works excellent.  I made a post about a year ago reviewing that exact swager.  It's much better than the RCBS swager because the punch won't bend and you only need to cycle the ram approx.  1/2"     It doesn't bend rims like many folks would think.
9/7/2009 7:10:38 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Checkout the process.........

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/squeezeplay2/index.asp

Despite what the article says.  Sorry but, I would be worried about the rim of the cases while the tool's spud was doing it's job.  

I'll stick to my reamer tool.  

Aloha, Mark


Mark,

In your opinion, which reamer tool takes the least off, but still gets the job done?

I'm torn between swaging and reaming with  an RCBS case prep and whatever reamer I can make fit the case prep (or a drill, or drill press, or whatever). I plan on prepping several thousand rounds of brass this winter, and come next year when I join a local gun club, I plan on picking up and processing tons of brass for friends and family. So I want something fast and reliable...but all these articles sound like nothing is quite 100% perfect for one reason or another.

 


IMHO the Hornady hand reamer is the best Link , also fits in the RCBS case prep center.

9/7/2009 8:03:34 PM EDT
[#7]



Quoted:



Quoted:




Quoted:

Checkout the process.........



http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/squeezeplay2/index.asp



Despite what the article says.  Sorry but, I would be worried about the rim of the cases while the tool's spud was doing it's job.  



I'll stick to my reamer tool.  



Aloha, Mark






Mark,



In your opinion, which reamer tool takes the least off, but still gets the job done?




I'm torn between swaging and reaming with  an RCBS case prep and whatever reamer I can make fit the case prep (or a drill, or drill press, or whatever). I plan on prepping several thousand rounds of brass this winter, and come next year when I join a local gun club, I plan on picking up and processing tons of brass for friends and family. So I want something fast and reliable...but all these articles sound like nothing is quite 100% perfect for one reason or another.



 




IMHO the Hornady hand reamer is the best Link , also fits in the RCBS case prep center.







I have one of those already, handy... but holy crap swaging the 10k rounds of brass I have laying around would really suck.





 
9/7/2009 8:08:24 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Checkout the process.........

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/squeezeplay2/index.asp

Despite what the article says.  Sorry but, I would be worried about the rim of the cases while the tool's spud was doing it's job.  

I'll stick to my reamer tool.  

Aloha, Mark



^^^^^^
This...

To quote the article on squeezeplay:  
they feel removal of any brass, no matter how small the amount, will be detrimental.
.

I have changed my thinking on this.  When the crimp ring is swaged back out and the entrance to the pocket reformed with a slight radius, the surrounding brass material is put into compression.   This compressed material does not assist the structural integrity of the case head at all.
Removing the crimp ring by removing the material with a properly piloted and spaced cutter seems to be the best method after all.   It does not require near as much force applied to the case head web, rim, etc. as does the swaging operation.

So who makes a properly piloted and spaced high quality primer pocket crimp cutter?      I would not want to use a simple countersink tool.                      

9/8/2009 12:23:47 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Checkout the process.........

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/squeezeplay2/index.asp

Despite what the article says.  Sorry but, I would be worried about the rim of the cases while the tool's spud was doing it's job.  

I'll stick to my reamer tool.  

Aloha, Mark



+1. I have an RCBS and a Dillon, but I seriously doubt I'll ever use them again. I ream all of mine and while I'm at it, I uniform 'em too. I use a lot of LC brass and much prefer to ream now. I've noticed absolutely no difference in brass life or strength.
9/8/2009 12:46:52 AM EDT
[#10]
What would be nice is to find a system where you put in the brass, move a lever and a motorized head removes the crimp....



that would be nice........
9/8/2009 5:44:19 PM EDT
[#11]



Quoted:



Quoted:




Quoted:

Checkout the process.........



http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/squeezeplay2/index.asp



Despite what the article says.  Sorry but, I would be worried about the rim of the cases while the tool's spud was doing it's job.  



I'll stick to my reamer tool.  



Aloha, Mark






Mark,



In your opinion, which reamer tool takes the least off, but still gets the job done?




I'm torn between swaging and reaming with  an RCBS case prep and whatever reamer I can make fit the case prep (or a drill, or drill press, or whatever). I plan on prepping several thousand rounds of brass this winter, and come next year when I join a local gun club, I plan on picking up and processing tons of brass for friends and family. So I want something fast and reliable...but all these articles sound like nothing is quite 100% perfect for one reason or another.



 




IMHO the Hornady hand reamer is the best Link , also fits in the RCBS case prep center.






Thanks, that's exactly the method and tools I was thinking of.





 
9/8/2009 5:53:45 PM EDT
[#12]
I can't speak to the one in .223 but I bought one for .50 BMG and it is worse than worthless.  First it tore every rim off without swaging a bit, then they sent me a different shellholder and that cracked with the first attempt.  I finally started using a chamfer tool to ever-so-slightly ream the crimp off.  C4D makes great stuff––but not that thing.  
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