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Posted: 8/9/2009 12:59:06 PM EDT
| Having trouble getting this thing to shoot a group under 1 1/2 inch groups,at 100 yrds––-have tried 9 thousand loads, containing many different bullets and many different lengths from just inside the magazine and shorter––––even factory match loads––––have made sure the barrel is clean and no copper fouling––-????? Thoughts??? |
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Having trouble getting this thing to shoot a group under 1 1/2 inch groups,at 100 yrds––-have tried 9 thousand loads, containing many different bullets and many different lengths from just inside the magazine and shorter––––even factory match loads––––have made sure the barrel is clean and no copper fouling––-????? Thoughts??? What type of glass? |
| What weights have you tried? My Varminter likes the lighter stuff, and my pet load is 55 grainers. Nosler CT's with Varget, and I have shot a 5 shot group into .310 @ 100 yards. But, you try putting anything much heavier than 62 grains through mine, and it starts shooting like an AK. (OK, not that bad, but the groups do open up to 2" or so). |
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I sold my Varmiter but on this years p-dog trip I used Ultramax factory ammo. It was the reman stuff 55 gr Nosier bullet. It would do half to three quarter inch groups depending on me.
That gun is real touchy shooting off a bipod. There isn't enough weight in the front so it needed some added down pressure. Is this the gun ? 
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What weights have you tried? My Varminter likes the lighter stuff, and my pet load is 55 grainers. Nosler CT's with Varget, and I have shot a 5 shot group into .310 @ 100 yards. But, you try putting anything much heavier than 62 grains through mine, and it starts shooting like an AK. (OK, not that bad, but the groups do open up to 2" or so). Exactly what is most precise in my Varminter. 55 gr Nosler CT's with Varget. Mine shoots .50 - .75 with these at 100 yards. If I try anything heavier, the groups open up. I also tried H335 with the 55 CT's, and they weren't as good––just over an inch. |
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I sold my Varmiter but on this years p-dog trip I used Ultramax factory ammo. It was the reman stuff 55 gr Nosier bullet. It would do half to three quarter inch groups depending on me. That gun is real touchy shooting off a bipod. There isn't enough weight in the front so it needed some added down pressure. Is this the gun ? http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/74/dsc05472a.jpg Yes this is the same rifle except I'm shooting a Weaver T-10 |
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What weights have you tried? My Varminter likes the lighter stuff, and my pet load is 55 grainers. Nosler CT's with Varget, and I have shot a 5 shot group into .310 @ 100 yards. But, you try putting anything much heavier than 62 grains through mine, and it starts shooting like an AK. (OK, not that bad, but the groups do open up to 2" or so). Of all the bullets I have shot, the 40 gr has been the best, beyond that it shoots like a shotgun(well not quit) yes the groups open up beyond that. |
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have you tried it with a dirty barrel? mine groups 1/2 in or less when it's dirty. if it's clean it takes several rounds to get nice and tight, but the first few ( 10 or so)group around 1in. The more it is shot the more the groups open––-have shot close to 100 rounds( after break in) before cleaning, at this point it shoots very eratic.Groups will be 2-3 inches. Gets boxed up today to go to the fixit doctor! Thanks to all for the thoughts!!!! |
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How about giving us the details of the loads you've shot? That means cases, bullets, powder, primer, conditions during shooting, and so on.
Posting a target helps to sort out whether the problem is wind or elevation stringing. Are you shooting off a rest or a bi-pod? If it's a bi-pod, get the gun on a proper front bag of some sort. The following load will measure the potential accuracy of your rifle and set up - 52 grain Sierra MK, Remington 7 1/2 primer, 27.0 grains of RE-15, Winchester cases, and 2.25 inch COAL. |
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If you don't have a barrel problem, or a scope mounting problem, or a problem with the scope itself, it might be a rest problem.
From a hard base, a rifle will often tend to shoot high. Supposedly like it's "bounce". You might try folding the bipop up and shooting off of bags, or put a bag or a soft gun case or a rolled up shirt under your bipod feet. |
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How about giving us the details of the loads you've shot? That means cases, bullets, powder, primer, conditions during shooting, and so on. Posting a target helps to sort out whether the problem is wind or elevation stringing. Are you shooting off a rest or a bi-pod? If it's a bi-pod, get the gun on a proper front bag of some sort. The following load will measure the potential accuracy of your rifle and set up - 52 grain Sierra MK, Remington 7 1/2 primer, 27.0 grains of RE-15, Winchester cases, and 2.25 inch COAL. Have shot this load, but not exactly as you suggest, only difference, Fed. 205 primer––-results was not exciting. Have not shot it off the bi-pod––will do that today, plus will use CCI BR primer––-have no Rem 7 1/2's––-you ask for loads––-way to many to list!!!!powders––-RL-15––––4895––––AA2460––-BLC-2––-WC844––-WC846––-W748––-H380––H335––-AA2230––-Benchmark––––Varget––-Bullets––-40 gr––-50 gr––-52 gr––53 gr––55 gr––-60 gr––62 gr––68 gr––-69 gr––-Cases have been Rem., ––-Win., LC and WCC––––weather conditions have been calm temp. 70 to 80 degrees |
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I have a 20 in. bushy predator. Have shoot around 2k rounds thru it, with a bunch of different powders and bullet wieghts.
Three times I have cleaned the barrell to much and it takes about 50 rds. to get it right again. Im talking about wire brush and sweets and pulling out every bit of any color out of the barrell. It shot like crap for a while after the cleaning sessions. Im shooting 69 gr. noslers and 77 gr. smks these days and they are doing well. Heres a pic of some 68 gr hornadays with a canalure that I cant find any more. 
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That doesn't really help. If you were not shooting off the bi-pod, exactly what were you using? Don't expect a folding bi-pod to improve things if you were on a good sandbag. Sorry for the confusion––-will shoot the loads from sand bags today––-have been shooting from bi-pod––-all my other AR's shoot quit well from a bi-pod––-didn't ever think a bi-pod to be an issue with this rifle!!! |
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That doesn't really help. If you were not shooting off the bi-pod, exactly what were you using? Don't expect a folding bi-pod to improve things if you were on a good sandbag. AeroE––-THANKS to you and and others with this issue––––don't understand the difference but, this thing has shot a 3/4 inch group with your load and another load that has shot well in my other AR's from SANDBAGS––-help me understand the movement that goes on, with the bi-pod????Am going to try to attach pictures of the loads shot. Guess I can't get the pictures loaded. |
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Whew; got one right!
Bi-pods are wiggly unless they are special rigs designed for the absolute best accuracy possible. They also act stiff in the vertical direction and can cause stringing. I shot off one today and managed a 2 X 2 group at 300 yards with some switchy breeze and about as much mirage as I've seen in a while; I can't help wonder how well that rifle will shoot on a good rest, I could just not get as comfortable as I would like. I don't like the rifle hopping around on the bench after the shot, either. That hopping is a hint that follow through after the shot is bad. Another member here was shooting with one of those horrible grip pods when we met last spring; I talked him into taking it off the rifle while were testing, and I hope he tossed it in the trash. |
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Whew; got one right! Bi-pods are wiggly unless they are special rigs designed for the absolute best accuracy possible. They also act stiff in the vertical direction and can cause stringing. I shot off one today and managed a 2 X 2 group at 300 yards with some switchy breeze and about as much mirage as I've seen in a while; I can't help wonder how well that rifle will shoot on a good rest, I could just not get as comfortable as I would like. I don't like the rifle hopping around on the bench after the shot, either. That hopping is a hint that follow through after the shot is bad. Another member here was shooting with one of those horrible grip pods when we met last spring; I talked him into taking it off the rifle while were testing, and I hope he tossed it in the trash. [/quote I have asked a very good friend that I shoot with, who is also a member here, to post the targets for me. They should show up by tomorrow. Again thanks to all who have answered the request for help––as always, someone in the ARFCOM "family" has the ability to help!! |
Here are slickshot's targets. Those were shot at 127 to 130 yards, which is where we normally shoot. Thanks to everybody for their input. We've been battling these Bushy Varminters for quite a while now and questioned everything but the possibility that they might be super-sensitive to bipod shooting. I'll be taking mine to his place Sunday and let's hope I get the same results off the bags that he did. |
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