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Posted: 7/22/2009 7:08:53 AM EDT
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hi all
was going to start reloading 9mm. gonna reload for my g17 9x19. i have seen a ton of different dies out there. there are some for a luger, markarov and others 9x21 etc. its been awhile so can someone help me out with which one to get. thanks lojack |
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FWIW, many die makers offer sets that work on 9X19 and 9X21-the cases are basically just different lengths with a very similar profile. 9X19 is also known by the names "9mm NATO," 9mm Parabellum," and "9mm Luger." 9X21 is also known as "9mm Largo."
9X18, AKA Makarov, is a completely different animal, with a very different profile and incompatible dies AND case holder. Also, you may even see a "9X17mm" die now and then, and it may or may not also be labeled "9mm Kurz" or "9mm Short." That's a .380ACP under a different name, and it also has a different profile and case holder. I have a buddy that "drags me along" to gun shows so I can translate things like this for him. He usually pays my way in, too.  This sort of thing comes up a lot with him.
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FWIW, many die makers offer sets that work on 9X19 and 9X21-the cases are basically just different lengths with a very similar profile. 9X19 is also known by the names "9mm NATO," 9mm Parabellum," and "9mm Luger." 9X21 is also known as "9mm Largo." 9X18, AKA Makarov, is a completely different animal, with a very different profile and incompatible dies AND case holder. Also, you may even see a "9X17mm" die now and then, and it may or may not also be labeled "9mm Kurz" or "9mm Short." That's a .380ACP under a different name, and it also has a different profile and case holder. I have a buddy that "drags me along" to gun shows so I can translate things like this for him. He usually pays my way in, too. This sort of thing comes up a lot with him.Just FYI, but 9mm Largo is not 9x21...to the best of my knowledge 9x21 does not have a name other than 9x21, but maybe it does. Maybe they even call it 9mm Largo in some countries, but "9mm Largo" most commonly refers to the Spanish 9x23mm cartridge. |
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The FCD is nice for straight wall Pistol rounds. I would definitly get it even if you don't buy Lee die's (It's available seperately), or buy the 4-die set if buying Lee dies.
For Rifle however I will probably never use the FCD again. I think a standard roll crimp is superior to the FCD in rifle rounds. -Masta |
| +1 on the Lee 4 die carbide set. I have it and love it. I have been using the FCD for 45 ACP and I love it. I would highly recommend getting it since its not much more for the 4 die set. Lee 4 die set + Lee Turret Press with Auto Disk is as good as it gets for pistol ammunition until you start getting into the Dillon/Hornady progressive presses. |
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For Rifle however I will probably never use the FCD again. I think a standard roll crimp is superior to the FCD in rifle rounds. -Masta I could not disagree more, right now I think every rifle round I load for the rest of my life will be finished off with FCD. To each their own.
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+1 on the Lee 4 die carbide set. I have it and love it. I have been using the FCD for 45 ACP and I love it. I would highly recommend getting it since its not much more for the 4 die set. Lee 4 die set + Lee Turret Press with Auto Disk is as good as it gets for pistol ammunition until you start getting into the Dillon/Hornady progressive presses. What difference does that make? I use the Lee 4 die carbide set on my Dillon XL650 progressive press. For straight wall pistol cases there's not much difference untill you get into the super premium die's, then your probably using a single stage press making ammo that'll split hairs at 1000 yards. Quoted:
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For Rifle however I will probably never use the FCD again. I think a standard roll crimp is superior to the FCD in rifle rounds. -Masta I could not disagree more, right now I think every rifle round I load for the rest of my life will be finished off with FCD. To each their own.
Yep, To each their own. Alot of people love the FCD for rifle rounds, I tried it and I hated it. But atleast I tried it to develope my own opinion. As a matter of fact I will probably never buy a set of lee dies for Rifle rounds ever again. I had lee rifle dies for .223, changed to Redding dies for less than $10 more than the Lee's origionally cost me and my variations were 1/10th of what I was getting with the lee dies, only thing changed was the dies... But that's another thread.. -Masta |
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wow thanks for all of the fast replies. what is the difference in the 3 and the 4 die set versions? I have used the 3 die set with my other loads. wondering if the 4th is worth it. thanks lojack In a three die set, the #3 die seats the bullet and crimps. Hard to get the two adjustments correct, because these two things are happening at once. Which is why all of my pistol dies are 4 die sets. In a four die set, the #3 die only seats the bullet. The forth die crimps. 2 ways to get a 4 die set. 1. Start with a 3 die set and add a FCD or other crimp die. Adjust #3 die to seat bullet only. Crimp with the new #4 die. 2. Buy a 4 die set. |
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DOH!!! I got it backward. I was messing around with whether or not to include the X21, and wound up keeping the wrong numbers! Thanks for the fix.
Just FYI, but 9mm Largo is not 9x21...to the best of my knowledge 9x21 does not have a name other than 9x21, but maybe it does. Maybe they even call it 9mm Largo in some countries, but "9mm Largo" most commonly refers to the Spanish 9x23mm cartridge. |
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