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Posted: 6/21/2009 12:37:16 PM EDT
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Making .223 bullets from .22LR brass
http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=408 Aloha, Mark |
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Making .223 bullets from .22LR brass http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=408 Aloha, Mark YES! Thanks! 
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Did that silly idea ever become economically feasable?
Last time I read that thread, I found it interesting. But the fact was, there was no money savings, and the bullets weren't accurate. All that after a sizeable capital investment to get the production rolling. 
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Did that silly idea ever become economically feasable? Last time I read that thread, I found it interesting. But the fact was, there was no money savings, and the bullets weren't accurate. All that after a sizeable capital investment to get the production rolling. Seemed pretty accurate but yeah, a huge PIA when using .22lr cases. There was a type of copper tubing you could buy and make bullets as well IIRC |
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I have been using this style bullet for years. First in about 90s, got them from a company called MHG(?) out of Malta, Mt. They are no longer there,bought out I think. First saw an add for them in the "new" varmint hunters magazine. They were an older couple, been making them for years,sold "some". They put an add in Varmint Hunters magazin and from that point on could not keep up and the quality suffered some IMHO. I purchased about 25k, the cost was about .026 each delivered. 55g,60g,68g. I have to load them down, sometimes they wont make it to the target. I have a Ultra Varmint Handi-Rifle that will shoot the 60g five shots 3/8@100yds loaded to about 2700-2800fps. My ruger mini14 shoots these at 1/2 inch@100yds. 24gr.748 neck sized only. My ruger heavy bbl, first issue,will shoot these at about 1.25"@100yds. My Colt AR Comp. shoots these at about 1". They seem to make it to the target Better than The SX,or blitz style. THEY ARE VERY EXPLOSIVE, even at low vel. There are still some people around who make them. They charge around .07ea. This is my go-to bullet for the handi-rifle. "Waterbolloons" ground squirles!!!! I do not get brass fowling but don't shoot these fast. Don't need to!!! Brass in Handi-Rifle lasts 50 shots,just neck sized on lee collet die. Also have some R.B. Sisk bullets "War Time" bullets made from copper 22lr jackets, no need to shoot these, collector stuff. MHG also made 6mm and 257 bullets. By the time you pay for all the equipment its about 1000.00. They trick to makeing these accurate is to clean them on the inside VERY clean.As in distilled H2O clean!! One little piece of hard water deposit will cause a lump in the jacket. I like them. Still have about 10k left. And no they are not for sale.
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Did that silly idea ever become economically feasable? Last time I read that thread, I found it interesting. But the fact was, there was no money savings, and the bullets weren't accurate. All that after a sizeable capital investment to get the production rolling. It wasn't silly when Vernon Speer wanted a way to make bullets during WWII. He made his own dies and had to build a strong press with lots of leverage to use 'em, but he made his "rock chuck" shooting bullets out of .22 cases and was happy to be able to do it. IMO it's a great way to come up with very easily customizable bullets for a relatively small cost. And if you take your time and work carefully, those bullets can be very accurate. It's all how you handle the individual parts, and probably most significantly how you work the cores. |
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No, it is not worth it when you can buy good factory bullets cheap. They are not cheap or very available, now. Gee, even those 50 gr. Blitz bullets go for +$20/100 anymore. It is worth doing now. In WW2 the stores were closed, so to say. There was no alternative.
The time it takes to make GOOD bullets is excessive unless you need to fill up time in your day. The easy part is derimming .22lr brass. I have coffee cans of them here and there. The hard part is getting the inside of the brass *clean*, and doing a consistant anneal on the brass. I used the university's lab heat treating ovens, and I still had a wide range of formability problems within a batch - too hard, good to go, and too soft. Now if I could find lead wire for <3-4 bucks a pound I would be up to my eyeballs in bullets. |
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More info.........
http://www.mrpc.info/docs/bultip01.pdf http://www.swage.com/ Aloha, Mark |
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Something like "Some shooters get the idea .22lr cartridge jackets foul badly." 
Yeah, its true. I typically get a hard fouling 2/3 the way down the barrel that is a bear to remove. I've meant to try Moly coating to eliminate this fouling. |
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Quoted: Did that silly idea ever become economically feasable? Last time I read that thread, I found it interesting. But the fact was, there was no money savings, and the bullets weren't accurate. All that after a sizeable capital investment to get the production rolling. That is how RCBS started, Rock Chuck Bullet Swage. These things happen. |
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IMO it's a great way to come up with very easily customizable bullets for a relatively small cost. It's been a few years since I read the thread, but I don't remember there being anything small about the cost of the equipment. It was interesting, but not cheap. |
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IMO it's a great way to come up with very easily customizable bullets for a relatively small cost. It's been a few years since I read the thread, but I don't remember there being anything small about the cost of the equipment. It was interesting, but not cheap. Yeah, it is astounding how fast these guys jacked up their prices. That is part of the problem, not too many of these OLD guys left doing this anymore and the market reflects their scarcity. I got into it in the early 90s, and for ~$125 I was making jackets and HP bullets on a Rockchucker conversion. You underemployed tool and die makers take a hint - there is an underserved market here. |
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IMO it's a great way to come up with very easily customizable bullets for a relatively small cost. It's been a few years since I read the thread, but I don't remember there being anything small about the cost of the equipment. It was interesting, but not cheap. Yeah, it is astounding how fast these guys jacked up their prices. That is part of the problem, not too many of these OLD guys left doing this anymore and the market reflects their scarcity. I got into it in the early 90s, and for ~$125 I was making jackets and HP bullets on a Rockchucker conversion. You underemployed tool and die makers take a hint - there is an underserved market here. We have a member or two here that can do the work, but the one nearby is tied up with kids, school, and work. C-H Tool makes bullet swage dies for sensible cost, but they don't offer a jacket swaging tool that I noticed; maybe I need to ask. |
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