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4/21/2009 9:51:51 PM EDT
I went with a friend of mine over to his grandfathers house who passed away a year or two ago and found this.
His grandfather was a gunsmith and reloader who loaded for a few police depts. in our area and also made a few custom guns.
He had tons of brass and bullets laying everywhere, including some calibers I've never even heard of when I came across what looks like a shortened .50 BMG.
The case is a LC 66 that looks like it's been shortened about an inch then re-necked to .50
Whats also weird is when you look down inside, the primer looks like it extends up from the bottom of the case about 3/4"
Any ideas what it is? I've looked eveywhere I can think of and can't find anything like it.





4/21/2009 10:08:41 PM EDT
[#1]
Hard to tell from the angle you have,, could be a spotter round for the 105 howitzer, they were shorter than the standard 50.
'Borg
4/21/2009 10:46:02 PM EDT
[#2]
Here's a better side by side view.

4/21/2009 11:29:28 PM EDT
[#3]
Yep... looks like a 106mm recoilless rifle spotter round.
4/22/2009 2:16:40 AM EDT
[#4]
12.7x77mm - M48A1/M48A2 - Spotter/Tracer round.


M8C Spotting Rifle







 
4/22/2009 5:23:07 AM EDT
[#5]
As mentioned above, it is a spotter cartridge.  Could be a neat format to do a .50 whisper project though.
4/22/2009 5:37:41 AM EDT
[#6]
For those that never had the pleasure...

The spotter rifle was mouned atop the 106mm Recoilless rifle as in osprey21's picture.

There was a knob on the left side of the mount for elevation and firing. Pull Out and the spotter rifle fired. It was designed to match the trajectory of 106mm rounds (HEAT & HEP-T) and besides the tracer element there was a white phosphorus element in the nose that gave of an unmistakable white puff on inpact.If impact missed, adjust and fire another spotter.

If impact on target - Push In!!!

The rifle was normally jeep mounted and as I recall, carried 6 rounds. The backblast left no doubt where you were, so hopefully the driver had the motor running! large Recoilles weapons like the 106mm were Shoot & Scoot weapons. You did not want to miss or try to fight it out with a tank platoon.

There were normally 2 gun jeeps assigned to an Infantry Company as the Anti Tank section.

The heat and consussion from firing is something you never forget...

There was also a short lived 105mm version which had the .50 Cal Spotter Rifle as well as 2 smaller shoulder fired versions in 57mm & 90mm. And one portable 75mm version.

More Info:  Here
4/22/2009 7:10:26 AM EDT
[#7]
I saw one of those spotter's somewhere fore sale once... wonder if its feasable to make some sort of a rifle out of it?
4/22/2009 9:54:49 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
I saw one of those spotter's somewhere fore sale once... wonder if its feasable to make some sort of a rifle out of it?


It weighs 23 lbs

Don’t know where to get the reloading specs/brass/dies etc.??? it is about 1750 fps to match the 1650 fps of the 106.
4/22/2009 10:30:33 AM EDT
[#9]



Quoted:


For those that never had the pleasure...



The spotter rifle was mouned atop the 106mm Recoilless rifle as in osprey21's picture.



There was a knob on the left side of the mount for elevation and firing. Pull Out and the spotter rifle fired. It was designed to match the trajectory of 106mm rounds (HEAT & HEP-T) and besides the tracer element there was a white phosphorus element in the nose that gave of an unmistakable white puff on inpact.If impact missed, adjust and fire another spotter.



If impact on target - Push In!!!



The rifle was normally jeep mounted and as I recall, carried 6 rounds. The backblast left no doubt where you were, so hopefully the driver had the motor running! large Recoilles weapons like the 106mm were Shoot & Scoot weapons. You did not want to miss or try to fight it out with a tank platoon.



There were normally 2 gun jeeps assigned to an Infantry Company as the Anti Tank section.



The heat and consussion from firing is something you never forget...



There was also a short lived 105mm version which had the .50 Cal Spotter Rifle as well as 2 smaller shoulder fired versions in 57mm & 90mm. And one portable 75mm version.



More Info:  Here


The Marine M50 'ONTOS' carried six 106mm recoilless rifles and two (and sometimes four) M8C spotter rifles.







 
4/22/2009 11:30:34 AM EDT
[#10]
Thats intense
4/22/2009 11:46:17 AM EDT
[#11]
There are supposedly some 57mm and 75mm civilian owned guns that are part of the NFA registry as "destructive devices."  A company could start making them again if they wanted to.  A girl named "Destiny" was posting about re-watting (or repairing) her 57mm rifle to firing condition over on the Impact Guns D.D. forum until it was taken down.  She somehow obtained a new chamber off the Chinese copy of our 57mm, and was exploring ways to reload the rounds.

Most of the 57mm recoiless guns were shoulder-fired, but unlike a bazooka, they had a precision rifled barrel and a precision optical scope. The 57mm had its origins in the old Brittish "Six Pound" field artillery piece - which also had the 57mm bore and fire a projectile that also weighed six pounds.  

But a recoiless rifle lets you launch 6 pound projectiles off the shoulder, while a traditional Brit "6 pounder" had to be towed by a jeep and crew served.

Quoted:
For those that never had the pleasure...

The spotter rifle was mouned atop the 106mm Recoilless rifle as in osprey21's picture.

There was a knob on the left side of the mount for elevation and firing. Pull Out and the spotter rifle fired. It was designed to match the trajectory of 106mm rounds (HEAT & HEP-T) and besides the tracer element there was a white phosphorus element in the nose that gave of an unmistakable white puff on inpact.If impact missed, adjust and fire another spotter.

If impact on target - Push In!!!

The rifle was normally jeep mounted and as I recall, carried 6 rounds. The backblast left no doubt where you were, so hopefully the driver had the motor running! large Recoilles weapons like the 106mm were Shoot & Scoot weapons. You did not want to miss or try to fight it out with a tank platoon.

There were normally 2 gun jeeps assigned to an Infantry Company as the Anti Tank section.

The heat and consussion from firing is something you never forget...

There was also a short lived 105mm version which had the .50 Cal Spotter Rifle as well as 2 smaller shoulder fired versions in 57mm & 90mm. And one portable 75mm version.

More Info:  Here


4/22/2009 12:04:10 PM EDT
[#12]
There are several of pics of a privately owned 75mm gun on DeGroat Tactical's website.
4/22/2009 12:15:03 PM EDT
[#13]
Any idea what the funky primer setup is about?
4/22/2009 10:13:15 PM EDT
[#14]
Mystery solved, thanks guys.
4/23/2009 6:39:03 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Mystery solved, thanks guys.


i dont know about that.  the top view looks as if that round was cut down by hand and not yet chamfered. i would research wildcats like the 50 alaskan.
4/23/2009 7:08:45 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Mystery solved, thanks guys.


i dont know about that.  the top view looks as if that round was cut down by hand and not yet chamfered. i would research wildcats like the 50 alaskan.


No, the tube coming from the primer pretty much seals the deal.

.50 Alaskan is nothing like this cartridge.

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