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11/19/2008 10:20:32 AM EDT
Well, I've been trying to develop a .277 hardcast lead bullet for the 6.8 SPC, but .277 bullet moulds are hard to find.  The RCBS one (one of the only ones out there) is a 150 grain bullet and is too long.

The idea I am toying with is casting 130 gr 7mm bullets (a round nose, gas checked bullet originally for the Spanish Mauser) and then sizing them down to .278 from .284.

I was thinking of getting a custom .278 lee sizing die made.  This is easy to have done and is MUCH cheaper and easier than designing and having Lee make a custom mould.

What thinks the ARFCOM reloading hive mind?  Is it possible to size down hard cast bullets that much (.006")?

TIA,

- AG
11/19/2008 11:49:52 AM EDT
[#1]
It is possible but it would be best to do in .002 increments. You may find it difficult to maintain a decent lube groove.

ETA: And the amount of work/sizing being done to the lead will destroy some of the hardness.
11/19/2008 11:50:57 AM EDT
[#2]
Sizing down that much rarely works very well.

There is no good way to make sure the bullet sizes perfectly concentrically (uniformly centered).

For a few thousandths it works well.
For a hundredth is starts getting less reliable.
11/19/2008 12:51:54 PM EDT
[#3]
I found a 125gr GC .277 mould from a company called NEI hand tools.

Looks like it may be just the ticket.

- AG
11/19/2008 6:19:03 PM EDT
[#4]
NEI makes excellent moulds you will be very happy with them.

G
11/19/2008 8:07:51 PM EDT
[#5]
SAECO has a 140, probably too long.  Remember, the GC must not be below the case neck.

Sizing a .284"?  Forget it.  The GC would end up creased/warped/hammered DS.  You would need a base punch that is a .277 cal. cup, then run it through a .284 lubricator/sizer with this base punch, then bump it down in 0.003" increments.  Too much work.

You COULD try casting them out of zinc in .277".  Steel moulds work, just get another pot as lead and zinc don't mix well.  Leading eliminated, you could even skip the lubrication, using dry moly if desired.  The 150 grain lead would come out in the 95grain range, perfect if you have a 1:9" barrel.
11/24/2008 8:25:03 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
SAECO has a 140, probably too long.  Remember, the GC must not be below the case neck.

Sizing a .284"?  Forget it.  The GC would end up creased/warped/hammered DS.  You would need a base punch that is a .277 cal. cup, then run it through a .284 lubricator/sizer with this base punch, then bump it down in 0.003" increments.  Too much work.

You COULD try casting them out of zinc in .277".  Steel moulds work, just get another pot as lead and zinc don't mix well.  Leading eliminated, you could even skip the lubrication, using dry moly if desired.  The 150 grain lead would come out in the 95grain range, perfect if you have a 1:9" barrel.


Keith, do you know if casting bullets with Zinc will cause them to be undersized?
I just found out my 9mm mold is casting at .354 and are underweight by 10%.
I have been worried that some of the lead I am using  has been contaminated by zinc.
11/24/2008 9:50:42 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Quoted:
SAECO has a 140, probably too long.  Remember, the GC must not be below the case neck.

Sizing a .284"?  Forget it.  The GC would end up creased/warped/hammered DS.  You would need a base punch that is a .277 cal. cup, then run it through a .284 lubricator/sizer with this base punch, then bump it down in 0.003" increments.  Too much work.

You COULD try casting them out of zinc in .277".  Steel moulds work, just get another pot as lead and zinc don't mix well.  Leading eliminated, you could even skip the lubrication, using dry moly if desired.  The 150 grain lead would come out in the 95grain range, perfect if you have a 1:9" barrel.


Keith, do you know if casting bullets with Zinc will cause them to be undersized?
I just found out my 9mm mold is casting at .354 and are underweight by 10%.
I have been worried that some of the lead I am using  has been contaminated by zinc.


Zinc in lead makes the bullets look like hammered dog poop.  The mould does not fill out properly.  

Most lead alloys shrink upon cooling.  The higher the melting point, the more the shrink.   I bet your lead has a lot of antimony in it, this can elevate the melting point and reduce density.
11/24/2008 10:28:10 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
SAECO has a 140, probably too long.  Remember, the GC must not be below the case neck.

Sizing a .284"?  Forget it.  The GC would end up creased/warped/hammered DS.  You would need a base punch that is a .277 cal. cup, then run it through a .284 lubricator/sizer with this base punch, then bump it down in 0.003" increments.  Too much work.

You COULD try casting them out of zinc in .277".  Steel moulds work, just get another pot as lead and zinc don't mix well.  Leading eliminated, you could even skip the lubrication, using dry moly if desired.  The 150 grain lead would come out in the 95grain range, perfect if you have a 1:9" barrel.


Keith, do you know if casting bullets with Zinc will cause them to be undersized?
I just found out my 9mm mold is casting at .354 and are underweight by 10%.
I have been worried that some of the lead I am using  has been contaminated by zinc.


Zinc in lead makes the bullets look like hammered dog poop.  The mould does not fill out properly.  

Most lead alloys shrink upon cooling.  The higher the melting point, the more the shrink.   I bet your lead has a lot of antimony in it, this can elevate the melting point and reduce density.


That would make perfect sense. Mold fill out has been nice, if not for a few issues occasionally.
I really wish I knew exactly what was in the ingots I am currently using.

Thanks for the info.
11/24/2008 3:21:23 PM EDT
[#9]
Custom moulds are not too far out in terms of cost, and would work much better than a radically sized bullet.

Look Here, and check out his online bullet design. 1 cavity aluminum at $75.
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