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Posted: 8/14/2008 2:52:45 PM EDT
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I just got an order of these and on all of them, the tip is slightly goobered up. Is this par for the course? I would imagine it would impact accuracy. hi-techammo.com/hitech.zkb?root&GENMENU601B&object-menu6 
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yup, I no clue what you just said there, But it now does look like corncob or some thing in there. Dig it out?? |
| Hornady's 75gr BTHP's used to have that crap in the tip, their standard reply was that it did not affect the accuracy of the bullet. After a couple of years of people calling and complaining about it, Hornady changed something in the process and the bullets no longer have clogged tips. |
Most match bullet tips are not perfect, it really doesn't affect accuracy to any measurable degree. (a good benchrest shooter might disagree but most of us aren't good enough for it to matter.) |
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robpiat, Those pills look fine to me..... The tips of match bullets are never perfect. The way they are formed just don't allow for absolute perfection. There are little variances and vagaries in all bullet tips. I know wherefore I speak on this subject..... see my tagline.  I'd have no qualms at all about sending out a run of bullets with tips like those... though I don't ever have issues with tumbling media lodged in the tips... In any case, what you see is no hindrance to normal accuracy. None at all..... either the tiny imperfections of the copper jacket itself or the media inside the cavity. A 1k yd BR shooter might have an issue with the media in the tip.... but those guys play the game where any imperfection, no matter how small, must be eliminated in order to make the grade. Just my 2 bits...... Best regards, Swampy Garands forever __________________ 2007 NRA Missouri State 600 yard Service Rifle Champion. Score 774-29X... with an M1 Garand owner Swampworks Inc. / JLK Bullets The difference between a Hot Dog and a Weenie is a very fine line. Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.... You say that you believe in man made global warming??? AHHhhh BWA-HA-HA-hahahahah...... Sorry, I was having a "moment". See the last line above. |
I have always heard that varget was a great powder for 308. Can anybody with any experience compare 4895 vs varget for working up a match load? |
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My shooting partner (I split a 1000 round order of the bullets with him) will use Varget and CCI BR primers for his CZ550 Varmint load. Darn rifle will tear a 3-shot ragged hole with the "M80" Prvi Partizan at 100 yards. I can't imagine what he will do with the M853 and Varget. I'm using IMR 4895 to duplicate the M852 Match load, but I bet Varget would do just as well. ETA a good link. This guy likes Varget and IMR 4064: www.6mmbr.com/308Win.html |
Sir, FWIW I've shot M1As in high power competition for quite a few years. IMHO if you can't shoot sub MOA groups on an MR31 target at 100yd or a MR1 target at 600 yd. you're not in competition, you're just out there shooting. The problem could be with the ammo, the rifle, the shooter, or a combination of all three. There's nothing special about Varget loaded in cartridges for an M1A. There might be a slightly smaller variation in pressures as ambient temperatures increase but that variation will be consistant over the course of the day unless the ambient temperature changes drastically during the day. FWIW, I've loaded my match cartridges with IMR 4895 for years and still maintain sub MOA groups if I do my part. I don't know where the OP came up with the designation of these bullets as "M852" except to say that the M852 cartridge loaded at Lake City up until about 1994 used the standard Sierra 168gr HPBT match king bullet, Sierra code No. 2200. They presently sell for just over $30/100. The irregular tip is a normal condition and is a function of the copper jacket being formed beginning from the base of the bullet vice the meplat. I can attest based on having fired many thousands of these bullets down range that the irregular tip has no discernable effect on the accuracy of the bullet as Swampy has already mentioned. If you look at any other Sierra Match King bullet regardless .223, 6mm, 6.5mm, or .30cal, they all have a similar irregularity except the smaller calibers have slightly less irregularity. That is true for Sierra, Hornady, Burger, or JLK (ie: Swampy). There are a number of dealers now that offer meplat trimmers if the irregularity is of some concern. The one I'm most familiar with is sold by Sinclair Int. For shooters like G. David Tubb it might have some use but for most of us it's a solution looking for a problem. JMHO, 7zero1. |
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Sierra..........I highly doubt it. IMHO.....the seller is trying to confuse you by calling it M852 bullets. Perhaps, the seller just wants to take the "good name" of the Match Bullet and make it "generic" to mean 168 gr. BTHP? Actually, the bullets look good. And, I've seen bullets (Hornady and Sierra) with media stuck in the tips before........that doesn't scare me off. I usually remove the big media kernals from the tips and don't worry about the small stuff (kernals). Bottom Line: Shoot them and see IF they'll perform. Aloha, Mark PS...........there is a tool to uniform the tips.........IF, you want to do that. www.davidtubb.com/tcom_images/reloading/bmu_one.html |
I don't mean this as a slam so much as a reality check, but everybody starts out as a "beginner" and is not likely to shoot at a master or grand master level. If the only shooters on the line were your sub-moa types, then it could be called a lonely line and also a dead sport. I hope you are a little more receptive of new (and or not so great) shooters in the real world. Be an ambassador to your sport and not an elitest that intimidates the people who want to be LIKE you and drills the x like it is a carnaval concession. Any sport is successful and will only survive as long as there are new and enthiusiastic BEGINNERS to invest time and money in it. See you on the line, Dave |
There are several different type of competition...match winner, class winner and self. Personally, I focus on #3. #'s 1 and 2 will work themselves out with or without me. |
Sir, WADR, check my sig line. 7zero1 out. |
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