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5/30/2008 4:46:28 PM EDT
The one that is there is fine, just need another one dealing solely with SS109 loads and match BTHP loads.

Atleast once a week it is asked, what powder/bullet combo are they using.
5/30/2008 5:06:13 PM EDT
[#1]
Just need to add more info to the existing one.

SS-109 loads

Match BTHP loads

Molon's great pics of crimped, swaged, primed 223 cases. Second post in this thread.

Anything else?
5/30/2008 10:44:35 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
The one that is there is fine, just need another one dealing solely with SS109 loads and match BTHP loads.

Atleast once a week it is asked, what powder/bullet combo are they using.


So,what is your M855 recipe

seriously now,how bout some kind of FAQ you have to read or at least pretend to read before you can enter the reloading forum

like a disclosure that discusses starting with minimum charges and working up loads from there along with all the other info that people ask on a weekly basis

i know this because a few months ago i was asking for SS109 load data and such

i'm not a computer programmer and i have no idea what my suggestion would take to actually work but if it did you could assume the the poster at least understands the basics of load development when they ask for recipes

instead of these endless threads of warning people of the danger associated with starting at max and going for broke

i do know what can happen when you ASSuME but this is something i'v been thinking about
5/31/2008 4:44:27 AM EDT
[#3]
The questions are asked by people that don't want to do the work to develop safe and effective hand loads, they want a recipe for a handful of components to throw together, or, they are new to reloading and don't yet understand that it's impossible to provide published data for every possible combination of components.  All 62 grain bullets use powder charges that are similar, but there will be minor variations due to brass capacity, primer choice, chamber dimensions, and so on.

As long as I'm a moderator of this forum, throwing recipes together will be discouraged, but in the end it's up to the individual to make choices about what they load.  I'll never ban clone loads outright, but I won't go far out of my way to provide data, either.

I posted the following in another thread this morning -


Safe accurate loads are feasible with so little difference in speed that it doesn't matter.  A fast miss is a miss.

Spend time in a few reloading manuals to understand the possibilities.  That includes time calculating trajectories with varying speeds so you can understand the effect on maximum point blank range.

Your rifle and brass has some margin built in.  That margin was not put there for you to use, it's to account for variation in materials, workmanship, and uncertainty in the loads.  Uncertain loads in this case accounts for the eventuality that an over pressure cartridge gets into the firearm.  

Another good reason to hold the loads in the rifle's action down is just plain old wear and tear.  It's been a while, but we've had many incidents of AR bolts failed through the cam pin hole posted here.  Pierced primers just tick me off as the firing pin is ruined in a handful of shots if not caught on the first or second shot.  High gas port pressure causes the bolt to yank the brass out hard enough to bend the case just above the head, and bend the extractor rim; brass is expensive, too.



We don't need more clone loads, we need our members to do a little more homework so they understand what they're about.  Reloading is all about details and failure to pay attention is guarateed to cause aggravation in the best case, there's evidence of that here nearly every day.  In the worst case, those 60000+ psi bombs destroy machinery and hurt the shooter, maybe severely.


Besides, if there's a FAQ for every possibility, there's no need for the forum.


This reminds me of another topic.  This isn't my forum, it's our forum, and everyone is welcome and encouraged to contribute.  A good example is the thread with reloading tips; there is a fair bit of useful information there, but someone else needs to collect and organize it nto a single post before I'll add it the the Resources.  I want to keep the number of tacked threads small to limit clutter.

If you want to see a topic in the Resource archive, write it up and I'll get it added unless I have to heavily edit spelling and grammar.  Contributions don't need to be perfect, but they have to make sense and be readable.  Right now I'm having a problem uploading photos to the site from my laptop, but photos permanently hosted at other sites work okay, too.

If anyone else is using VISTA and has no trouble uploading to the AR15.com server, help!, I can't.
5/31/2008 3:57:32 PM EDT
[#4]
AeroE, can we add Molons pics in my previous post?
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