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Posted: 11/18/2008 1:33:30 PM EDT
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Is that an AR style stock on the accessory page for gsg on the ATI web sight?
I wonder how that is going to attach. I want one. |
I'm in the process of designing one to be machined out of aluminum, or possibly delrin. Basically just a cap that fits over the back of the receiver and has a hole bored and tapped for a buffer tube to screw into. Here's what I have so far. There's a few things that have to be fixed before I can turn it into g-code, mainly radii that can't be cut with an endmill and some details on the inside.
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I'm in the process of designing one to be machined out of aluminum, or possibly delrin. Basically just a cap that fits over the back of the receiver and has a hole bored and tapped for a buffer tube to screw into. Here's what I have so far. There's a few things that have to be fixed before I can turn it into g-code, mainly radii that can't be cut with an endmill and some details on the inside. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3179/3042763511_0f594f21c4_o.jpg I will buy one for sure!!! I want to put a ACE skeleton stock on mine to have another option...would it be possible to put the indention under where the tube screws in to allow other stocks to be attached as well and keep the buffer tubes from rotating? Like this... 
That way you could use the receiver end plate and castle nut on M4 stocks as well as being able to use skeleton, ultralight, socom stocks, etc... Thanks, JuJu |
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I will buy one for sure!!! I want to put a ACE skeleton stock on mine to have another option...would it be possible to put the indention under where the tube screws in to allow other stocks to be attached as well and keep the buffer tubes from rotating? Like this... http://riflestocks.com/catalog/images/FSM-AR.jpg That way you could use the receiver end plate and castle nut on M4 stocks as well as being able to use skeleton, ultralight, socom stocks, etc... Yes, that hole will be there for sure. I just need to pull the stock off my AR to measure it... wait, I think we have a stripped lower at the shop somewhere. I'll see if I can find it tonight. Much easier than disassembling my gun ;) I need to take a close look at Ace's stuff. I'm wondering if there's a hinge that could be used on this thing to make the stock fold. |
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I will buy one for sure!!! I want to put a ACE skeleton stock on mine to have another option...would it be possible to put the indention under where the tube screws in to allow other stocks to be attached as well and keep the buffer tubes from rotating? Like this... http://riflestocks.com/catalog/images/FSM-AR.jpg That way you could use the receiver end plate and castle nut on M4 stocks as well as being able to use skeleton, ultralight, socom stocks, etc... Yes, that hole will be there for sure. I just need to pull the stock off my AR to measure it... wait, I think we have a stripped lower at the shop somewhere. I'll see if I can find it tonight. Much easier than disassembling my gun ;) I need to take a close look at Ace's stuff. I'm wondering if there's a hinge that could be used on this thing to make the stock fold. That picture in my post above is the ACE folding mechanism that attaches to their HK receiver block... The receiver block that ACE makes would work, but it would have to be modified like a real HK stock would to get it to fit correctly, since the side "ears" are a little too wide. .jpg)
I wouldn't worry too much about making a folder with your design, but something that you could work on in the future, for sure. If you could just make a receiver block that would fit without modification, that would allow the attachment of the AR stocks, or buffer tubes for these stocks, or even possibly to attach something like what's pictured in my post above or this... .jpg)
Then you would have all your bases covered and you could attach just about anything you wanted, and make it a folder as well. I thought about getting a pistol reciever block for a GSG, and then cutting a hole in it, so the buffer threads would go up inside it, then you could tighten it with a castle nut on the inside, or with the thing shown above...but I think the plastic GSG block would not hold up too well. I think that you would have plenty of room inside the GSG receiver to use a nut or something to mount it like that. I wanted to do this, so I could raise the mounting position as much as I could, because I've seen them mounted on MP5s before, and they look like they are mounted just a little too low. Lots of possibilities...no worries, I'll buy whatever you make as long as it works! 
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Fortunately, once I have good g-code, making changes is easy. Like leaving out the hole for the buffer tube and adding holes for that adapter. I'm going to see how far up I can push the buffer tube and still leave enough meat so nothing breaks. Right now it's just centered on the lower tube of the receiver.
I'm heading out of town either thursday night or friday morning, and I have a ton of crap to get done before then, so I'm not sure how much work I'll get done on this before monday. |
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Fortunately, once I have good g-code, making changes is easy. Like leaving out the hole for the buffer tube and adding holes for that adapter. I'm going to see how far up I can push the buffer tube and still leave enough meat so nothing breaks. Right now it's just centered on the lower tube of the receiver. I'm heading out of town either thursday night or friday morning, and I have a ton of crap to get done before then, so I'm not sure how much work I'll get done on this before monday. No problem...I'm not in any hurry for it, as I have a collapsable one to go on mine as well. Actually this one is going to be a Christmas present for my wife, so I won't be doing anything to it until then. Just keep us informed on the future progress... Thanks, JuJu ETA... Here's some of the pics that I've found with Ace stocks installed... 
And here is what I kind of had pictured, that I would like to do... 
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No problem...I'm not in any hurry for it, as I have a collapsable one to go on mine as well. Actually this one is going to be a Christmas present for my wife, so I won't be doing anything to it until then. Just keep us informed on the future progress... Thanks, JuJu ETA... And here is what I kind of had pictured, that I would like to do... http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq246/juju151/hk10a.jpg Did a little more work on it and by adding a bit of material in the area where the two tubes of the receiver meet I can move the hole for the buffer tube up to about where it is in those pics. Next step is to cheat a bit. I'm going to print one of the drawings, cut it out, and see if it fits. If not I'll adjust and try again. Way cheaper than trashing a $20 chunk of aluminum ;) ETA: Printed, cut, disassembled, and... it fits  Still needs a few minor adjustments, but it's going to be a matter of thousandths, so I have to wait until I can cut a prototype on the mill to adjust it. I'm going to add some thickness to the back in an attempt to use delrin. It'll be less expensive, lighter, and won't have to be anodized.
I'm not overly fond of AR stocks on other guns, but I gotta say the Ace in the top of that last pic is growing on me. If I can hinge it I might go with that. |
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Did a little more work on it and by adding a bit of material in the area where the two tubes of the receiver meet I can move the hole for the buffer tube up to about where it is in those pics. Next step is to cheat a bit. I'm going to print one of the drawings, cut it out, and see if it fits. If not I'll adjust and try again. Way cheaper than trashing a $20 chunk of aluminum ;)
ETA: Printed, cut, disassembled, and... it fits Still needs a few minor adjustments, but it's going to be a matter of thousandths, so I have to wait until I can cut a prototype on the mill to adjust it. I'm going to add some thickness to the back in an attempt to use delrin. It'll be less expensive, lighter, and won't have to be anodized.
I'm not overly fond of AR stocks on other guns, but I gotta say the Ace in the top of that last pic is growing on me. If I can hinge it I might go with that. Excellent, sounds like you've got it goin on!
And yeah, I know what you mean...I feel the same way about AR stocks looking kind of odd on other types of rifles, they just look out of place. To tell you the truth, I'm still not sure about the MagPul on the GSG yet...I will have to actually see it in person to make a decision on that one. BUT!, as soon as I picked my GSG up out of the box, my first thought was, "Damn!, this thing would look bad ass with the short Ace Skeleton Stock on it!"... I've always liked those stocks the best, and have quite a few of them. So that's what I have been planning on doing, but I haven't gotten around to ordering the ACE receiver block and stuff. When I saw that you were working on something, I just figured I'd wait and see how it went. You know...I think the stocks look a little better in the mounting position that I photoshopped in my pictures, but how do you think it will work for cheek weld. I may be leading you astray with that idea, if the case is that that higher mounting position would not allow you to get a decent sight picture and cheek weld. I know it would work fine with optics, but I started thinking about the iron sights being low. The factory stock does have a slope down from the receiver to the main part of the stock, and this may be to allow a lower cheek weld for the iron sights??? I'm not sure about this, as I haven't played around with the mounting positions yet, but I thought I would throw that out there and see what you thought. In some of the other pictures that I posted you can see how the ACE ultralight stock just looks like a stick mounted to a folding mechanism, and it looks like it's mounted toward the bottom of the receiver...then you also have the blunt area sticking up where the stock meets the receiver because of it being mounted low. This is the part that really makes the whole thing just look out of place. Most of the other stocks that are availible for the GSG don't have this "blunt" transition from receiver to stock...but at least the skeleton stock might look better, no matter what position it's mounted in. That's something that you can mess around with, and see if the higher mounting position will affect your ability to get a decent sight picture. As far as being able to hinge the skeleton stock...the part I showed above is all you would need, and the good thing, is that it folds to the left, which will not interfere with your ejection port at all. Are you thinking about doing the hinged part yourself or just getting the part I showed above from ACE? I forgot to ask you about that before... Later, JuJu ETA... Here's the comparison of how it looks with a lower mounting position... 
Not really a whole lot of difference really in position, whatcha think? Actually I think the MagPul stock looks a little better mounted lower like this. 
The Ultralight stock, just doesn't do it for me really on the GSG...and the skeleton stock looks fine either way. I agree, I think it looks the best to me. |
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Excellent, sounds like you've got it goin on! 
And yeah, I know what you mean...I feel the same way about AR stocks looking kind of odd on other types of rifles, they just look out of place. To tell you the truth, I'm still not sure about the MagPul on the GSG yet...I will have to actually see it in person to make a decision on that one. BUT!, as soon as I picked my GSG up out of the box, my first thought was, "Damn!, this thing would look bad ass with the short Ace Skeleton Stock on it!"... I've always liked those stocks the best, and have quite a few of them. So that's what I have been planning on doing, but I haven't gotten around to ordering the ACE receiver block and stuff. When I saw that you were working on something, I just figured I'd wait and see how it went. You know...I think the stocks look a little better in the mounting position that I photoshopped in my pictures, but how do you think it will work for cheek weld. I may be leading you astray with that idea, if the case is that that higher mounting position would not allow you to get a decent sight picture and cheek weld. I know it would work fine with optics, but I started thinking about the iron sights being low. The factory stock does have a slope down from the receiver to the main part of the stock, and this may be to allow a lower cheek weld for the iron sights??? I'm not sure about this, as I haven't played around with the mounting positions yet, but I thought I would throw that out there and see what you thought. In some of the other pictures that I posted you can see how the ACE ultralight stock just looks like a stick mounted to a folding mechanism, and it looks like it's mounted toward the bottom of the receiver...then you also have the blunt area sticking up where the stock meets the receiver because of it being mounted low. This is the part that really makes the whole thing just look out of place. Most of the other stocks that are availible for the GSG don't have this "blunt" transition from receiver to stock...but at least the skeleton stock might look better, no matter what position it's mounted in. That's something that you can mess around with, and see if the higher mounting position will affect your ability to get a decent sight picture. As far as being able to hinge the skeleton stock...the part I showed above is all you would need, and the good thing, is that it folds to the left, which will not interfere with your ejection port at all. Are you thinking about doing the hinged part yourself or just getting the part I showed above from ACE? I forgot to ask you about that before... Later, JuJu ETA... Here's the comparison of how it looks with a lower mounting position... http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq246/juju151/hk10b.jpg Not really a whole lot of difference really in position, whatcha think? Actually I think the MagPul stock looks a little better mounted lower like this.
The Ultralight stock, just doesn't do it for me really on the GSG...and the skeleton stock looks fine either way. I agree, I think it looks the best to me. I stared at my GSG for a few minutes and I think the buffer tube needs to be centered on the lower tube of the receiver for the irons and higher for a red dot. Fortunately it's a piece of cake to change that, so I'll just do it both ways. I'll have to make a fixture to hold the part while it's machined, so I can build it with two positions for the 2nd setup (the back side, including the buffer tube hole), one for high, one for low. I prefer stocks to fold to the right so I can just grab the butt and pull while the gun's slung muzzle low to the left. It works for my AK, and I'm sure I can figure out a way to make it work on the GSG. |
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Excellent, sounds like you've got it goin on!
And yeah, I know what you mean...I feel the same way about AR stocks looking kind of odd on other types of rifles, they just look out of place. To tell you the truth, I'm still not sure about the MagPul on the GSG yet...I will have to actually see it in person to make a decision on that one. BUT!, as soon as I picked my GSG up out of the box, my first thought was, "Damn!, this thing would look bad ass with the short Ace Skeleton Stock on it!"... I've always liked those stocks the best, and have quite a few of them. So that's what I have been planning on doing, but I haven't gotten around to ordering the ACE receiver block and stuff. When I saw that you were working on something, I just figured I'd wait and see how it went. You know...I think the stocks look a little better in the mounting position that I photoshopped in my pictures, but how do you think it will work for cheek weld. I may be leading you astray with that idea, if the case is that that higher mounting position would not allow you to get a decent sight picture and cheek weld. I know it would work fine with optics, but I started thinking about the iron sights being low. The factory stock does have a slope down from the receiver to the main part of the stock, and this may be to allow a lower cheek weld for the iron sights??? I'm not sure about this, as I haven't played around with the mounting positions yet, but I thought I would throw that out there and see what you thought. In some of the other pictures that I posted you can see how the ACE ultralight stock just looks like a stick mounted to a folding mechanism, and it looks like it's mounted toward the bottom of the receiver...then you also have the blunt area sticking up where the stock meets the receiver because of it being mounted low. This is the part that really makes the whole thing just look out of place. Most of the other stocks that are availible for the GSG don't have this "blunt" transition from receiver to stock...but at least the skeleton stock might look better, no matter what position it's mounted in. That's something that you can mess around with, and see if the higher mounting position will affect your ability to get a decent sight picture. As far as being able to hinge the skeleton stock...the part I showed above is all you would need, and the good thing, is that it folds to the left, which will not interfere with your ejection port at all. Are you thinking about doing the hinged part yourself or just getting the part I showed above from ACE? I forgot to ask you about that before... Later, JuJu ETA... Here's the comparison of how it looks with a lower mounting position... http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq246/juju151/hk10b.jpg Not really a whole lot of difference really in position, whatcha think? Actually I think the MagPul stock looks a little better mounted lower like this.
The Ultralight stock, just doesn't do it for me really on the GSG...and the skeleton stock looks fine either way. I agree, I think it looks the best to me. I stared at my GSG for a few minutes and I think the buffer tube needs to be centered on the lower tube of the receiver for the irons and higher for a red dot. Fortunately it's a piece of cake to change that, so I'll just do it both ways. I'll have to make a fixture to hold the part while it's machined, so I can build it with two positions for the 2nd setup (the back side, including the buffer tube hole), one for high, one for low. I prefer stocks to fold to the right so I can just grab the butt and pull while the gun's slung muzzle low to the left. It works for my AK, and I'm sure I can figure out a way to make it work on the GSG. That's a good idea on the setup... And yeah...folding to the right is easier to deploy for sure. I think that you can do it without affecting the spent casings...shouldn't be a problem. Most of the other folders don't get in the way either. Plus, the left folder would probably be a little uncomfortable if folded while slung...the stock would be right in your chest all the time, I didn't think about that either. Later, JuJu |
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That's a good idea on the setup... And yeah...folding to the right is easier to deploy for sure. I think that you can do it without affecting the spent casings...shouldn't be a problem. Most of the other folders don't get in the way either. Plus, the left folder would probably be a little uncomfortable if folded while slung...the stock would be right in your chest all the time, I didn't think about that either. Hmm, it could always fold at an angle like the SCAR and a few others so the stock winds up lower than the ejection port. |
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