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Posted: 9/15/2009 9:07:00 PM EDT
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Why are the NXS so much more expensive compared to the Benchrest? Because the NXS are more desirable for field shooting. NXS scopes have thicker tubes NXS scopes have exposed, ruggedized knobs NXS scopes have more elevation travel If you plan to shoot only matches and have a sloped scopebase, the Benchrest is great. If the scope may get banged around a bit, or you need to adjust for widely varying distances, the NXS is superior. -David Edgewood, NM |
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There's a picture of a NF NXS scope with a bullet hole through it floating around on the internet, it was on a sniper rifle when it got hit by an AK round. The scope was still functional to a point where it could be used, the sniper kept using it until he got a replacement. If that doesn't say enough for you then I don't know what will.
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There's a picture of a NF NXS scope with a bullet hole through it floating around on the internet, it was on a sniper rifle when it got hit by an AK round. The scope was still functional to a point where it could be used, the sniper kept using it until he got a replacement. If that doesn't say enough for you then I don't know what will. For the price it's hard to beat the NXS line of scopes. I think I remember seeing that picture in a Nightforce ad in one of the gun rags. I think the magnification was frozen on whatever power the soldier was using when it got hit, other than that though...... Awesome glass. I love my 5.5-22x56 |
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There's a picture of a NF NXS scope with a bullet hole through it floating around on the internet, it was on a sniper rifle when it got hit by an AK round. The scope was still functional to a point where it could be used, the sniper kept using it until he got a replacement. If that doesn't say enough for you then I don't know what will. For the price it's hard to beat the NXS line of scopes. I have a 8-32x56 NF Benchrest, no opinion yet, as my Barrett M107 is hooked up with a Leupold Mk 4 8.5-25x50 matched and zeroed with the Barrett BORS. My NF is on a LT .50BMG QD mount for now, but I may switch back to my NF rings, as the sunshade touchs the rail on my M107 and that is a no go. Is this the Nightforce that took a 7.62? |
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There's a picture of a NF NXS scope with a bullet hole through it floating around on the internet, it was on a sniper rifle when it got hit by an AK round. The scope was still functional to a point where it could be used, the sniper kept using it until he got a replacement. If that doesn't say enough for you then I don't know what will. For the price it's hard to beat the NXS line of scopes. I have a 8-32x56 NF Benchrest, no opinion yet, as my Barrett M107 is hooked up with a Leupold Mk 4 8.5-25x50 matched and zeroed with the Barrett BORS. My NF is on a LT .50BMG QD mount for now, but I may switch back to my NF rings, as the sunshade touchs the rail on my M107 and that is a no go. Is this the Nightforce that took a 7.62? The level of coolaid in the gun world never ceases to amaze me. The bullet simply zipped through the tube and by chance did not hit any elements or critical components. A NcStar scope could make that claim also if the bullet struck in the right spot. |
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If that's how you feel that's fine, just remember that you get what you pay for. If you feel that putting an NC Star on your .50 is your best choice, then by all means go out and buy one. Just don't rant and rave about it when it fails long before a NF, Leupold, USO or other top notch scope does (if it ever does).
Buying cheap glass to put on a rifle that's going to cost you thousands of dollars is a losing proposition, then think about the abuse it's going to get while sitting on top of a .50 Cal. When you put out the cash for a high dollar scope with one of the best reputations in the industry and great customer service, you know you can feel good about it not failing at the worst possible time. I also understand that not everyone has the cash to lay out for a high dollar scope, so if you need something to use while saving up for a better scope that's fine. I know alot of us have been there and done that but there isn't any way I would keep a POS scope on top of my .50 any longer then I needed to. It would be nice to see the same thing done to a NC Star and see if it could stand up to the same abuse. |
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If that's how you feel that's fine, just remember that you get what you pay for. If you feel that putting an NC Star on your .50 is your best choice, then by all means go out and buy one. Just don't rant and rave about it when it fails long before a NF, Leupold, USO or other top notch scope does (if it ever does). Buying cheap glass to put on a rifle that's going to cost you thousands of dollars is a losing proposition, then think about the abuse it's going to get while sitting on top of a .50 Cal. When you put out the cash for a high dollar scope with one of the best reputations in the industry and great customer service, you know you can feel good about it not failing at the worst possible time. I also understand that not everyone has the cash to lay out for a high dollar scope, so if you need something to use while saving up for a better scope that's fine. I know alot of us have been there and done that but there isn't any way I would keep a POS scope on top of my .50 any longer then I needed to. It would be nice to see the same thing done to a NC Star and see if it could stand up to the same abuse. Don't go and get all touchy  Nobody is recommending a NcStar on a 50, what I said was that taking a bullet through the tube and still working is no measure of the durability as you mistakenly assume. That's not how I "feel", it's what I know from having worked in optical engineering in the past.
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There's a picture of a NF NXS scope with a bullet hole through it floating around on the internet, it was on a sniper rifle when it got hit by an AK round. The scope was still functional to a point where it could be used, the sniper kept using it until he got a replacement. If that doesn't say enough for you then I don't know what will. For the price it's hard to beat the NXS line of scopes. I have a 8-32x56 NF Benchrest, no opinion yet, as my Barrett M107 is hooked up with a Leupold Mk 4 8.5-25x50 matched and zeroed with the Barrett BORS. My NF is on a LT .50BMG QD mount for now, but I may switch back to my NF rings, as the sunshade touchs the rail on my M107 and that is a no go. Is this the Nightforce that took a 7.62? The level of coolaid in the gun world never ceases to amaze me. The bullet simply zipped through the tube and by chance did not hit any elements or critical components. A NcStar scope could make that claim also if the bullet struck in the right spot. Sorry, but I disagree with your above statement. I don't believe for one nano-second that is was simply zipped through by chance. I can't say what any of the particulars are about that NF scope being hit, but I would think that some insurgent / whatever terrorist faction, was aiming at that soldier. BTW, do you think that it is a fabricated tale, like some stray bullet just happened to hit that scope? Just curious, as you may know more about that specific incident. I am a little curious also if a 7.62 would do similar damage, as I have an old extra NCStar that might be a good canditate for a ballistic test. |
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There's a picture of a NF NXS scope with a bullet hole through it floating around on the internet, it was on a sniper rifle when it got hit by an AK round. The scope was still functional to a point where it could be used, the sniper kept using it until he got a replacement. If that doesn't say enough for you then I don't know what will. For the price it's hard to beat the NXS line of scopes. I have a 8-32x56 NF Benchrest, no opinion yet, as my Barrett M107 is hooked up with a Leupold Mk 4 8.5-25x50 matched and zeroed with the Barrett BORS. My NF is on a LT .50BMG QD mount for now, but I may switch back to my NF rings, as the sunshade touchs the rail on my M107 and that is a no go. Is this the Nightforce that took a 7.62? The level of coolaid in the gun world never ceases to amaze me. The bullet simply zipped through the tube and by chance did not hit any elements or critical components. A NcStar scope could make that claim also if the bullet struck in the right spot. Sorry, but I disagree with your above statement. I don't believe for one nano-second that is was simply zipped through by chance. I can't say what any of the particulars are about that NF scope being hit, but I would think that some insurgent / whatever terrorist faction, was aiming at that soldier. BTW, do you think that it is a fabricated tale, like some stray bullet just happened to hit that scope? Just curious, as you may know more about that specific incident. I am a little curious also if a 7.62 would do similar damage, as I have an old extra NCStar that might be a good canditate for a ballistic test. 
What ever happened to reading comprehension? Of course the shot was intended for the American soldier. And where did I ever express any doubt as to the veracity of the story? I said the bullet "by chance did not hit any elements or critical components". That means the shot was off the mark (soldier) and hit his scope, but luckily (by chance) did not hit anything critical. A scope is in simple terms constructed of an aluminum tube, with lens elements (single or in groups) at the front (objective) and the rear (ocular). In between there may be other small lens elements, critical components like reticles, etc.. but they are generally spaced apart. There is a lot of space in between that is nothing but the tube and nitrogen gas. If BY CHANCE the bullet zips through these areas leaving the elements and critical components untouched and hits the tube in the center such that it merely makes a hole without changing its geometry (as was the case here) and doesn't weaken to the extent it can no longer take recoil (tubes can lose a good amount of material and still hold up as the force is usually coaxial compressive forces) just about any scope is capable of continuing to function as normal. There isn't a scope in the world, I don't care if it's your $2,000 USO or $20 Leapers, that will continue to work as before if a 7.62x39 bullet hits a lens element. Really this is like saying "look, this Hummer got hit with a 50BMG and continued running!! This proves Hummers are the most durable cars in the world!". Now the Hummer just might be the most durable car in the world, but if all the bullet did was pass trough the door panels, that incident doesn't mean anything as a VW Beetle could have made the same claim. |
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When the NXS model was just coming out all they had was the 5.5-22 power model and at the shot show that year they had one and was using it to hammer nails into a piece of wood for the entire show. At the end of the show they sold that scope to a friend of mine for a very good price. That scope is still working now like it was when it was new.
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The level of coolaid in the gun world never ceases to amaze me. The bullet simply zipped through the tube and by chance did not hit any elements or critical components. A NcStar scope could make that claim also if the bullet struck in the right spot. Mateba = not too bright. Enjoy your NcStar. -David Edgewood, NM |
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The level of coolaid in the gun world never ceases to amaze me. The bullet simply zipped through the tube and by chance did not hit any elements or critical components. A NcStar scope could make that claim also if the bullet struck in the right spot. Mateba = not too bright. Enjoy your NcStar. -David Edgewood, NM nmmi9100 = illiterate 
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The level of coolaid in the gun world never ceases to amaze me. The bullet simply zipped through the tube and by chance did not hit any elements or critical components. A NcStar scope could make that claim also if the bullet struck in the right spot. Mateba = not too bright. Enjoy your NcStar. -David Edgewood, NM You and 1st Armored are really pushing for no reason All he said was a NC star(and by default most cheap scopes) could survive a bullet passing through the tube as long as it missed all the critical components. I know I dont hang around enough to catch all the 50 cal drama but you guys are being silly |
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I doubt a POS scope like that could survive and retain zero with a 30 cal hole in it.
And I've not "drank the koolaid" as he suggested....My NXS has held up well over the last four years of heavy use on a 50. They're worth the money, plain and simple. Like Realwar says, cry once, laugh forever. -David Edgewood, NM |
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I doubt a POS scope like that could survive and retain zero with a 30 cal hole in it. And I've not "drank the koolaid" as he suggested....My NXS has held up well over the last four years of heavy use on a 50. They're worth the money, plain and simple. Like Realwar says, cry once, laugh forever. -David Edgewood, NM How would you define a kool-aid drinker if not as a person who attributes greater qualities to his adored brand than exists in reality? And on what are you basing your arguments on? Do you have an engineering degree? Have you ever designed optical instruments? No? Well what is it then? Fan boy desire to justify and revere your purchase? Hmm... A .3" hole bored through a 1" tube creates a bisected angle to the optical axis of 17.5degrees. Calculating for the arc lengths, you will see even along the weakest plane of the damaged tube, it still maintains 81% of its compressive and tensile strength. The FoS is more than enough to cover that 19% loss in load carrying ability. Otherwise, you would hear about tubes stretching and buckling but you almost never do. even when NcStar puts out POS mostrosities like this: 
But carry on, and tell me about how much brighter you are again 
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YOU MIGHT BE AN ENGINEERING MAJOR IF...
... you have no life - and can prove it mathematically ... you enjoy pain ... you know vector calculus but you can't remember how to do long division ... you chuckle whenever someone says "centrifugal force" ... you've actually used every single function on your graphing calculator ... when you look in the mirror, you see an engineering major ... it is sunny and 70 degrees outside and you are on a computer ... you frequently whistle the theme to "MacGyver" ... you always do homework on Friday nights ... you know how to integrate a chicken and take a derivative of water ... you think in "math" ... you've calculated that the World Series actually diverges ... you hesitate to look at something because you don't want to break down its wave function ... you know the right hand rule ... you need to make sure everyone knows that you think NcStar is a piece of SHIT.... 
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The group missed you & your son at the match in Raton this past weekend. Hope you're doing well. We had a heck of a time and relay 1 & 2 on Saturday had some AWESOME conditions. Small group that morning was 4.125". Other than that one, we had about 3-4 more sub 5" groups. Also had about 20 more screamers (sub 7" groups) other than those 5 throughout the weekend. Had a couple of 149s shot on Saturday morning as well. Anyway, hopefully you can make in in May. -David Edgewood, NM |
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Given my hobbies, I am a firm believer in spending the money to obtain
quality gear that won't fail when you need it most. I flat out admit, I ABUSE equipment. I have no joy in bragging that I spent a lot of dough to obtain what I have, point in fact I'm a cheap SOB and won't spend any extra money if I don't have to. As a manufacturer of some of the toughest outdoors textiles out there, I have an appreciation of the differences between made on an assembly line out of the cheapest possible materials by workers who make a few dollars a day who have no understanding of what they are doing beyond insert slot a into flap b, and hand made out of the most durable materials by someone who has a keen understanding of the engineering involved. It's not just a few percentage points difference, it can be an order of magnitude. I also have an appreciation for the companies that will stand behind their equipment and warrant them for life and who don't often have to make good on that warranty, but who are fast and hassle free when they do. That, gents. costs money. It's not about kool-aid. Koolaid drinkers would either spend the money to put a $2000 scope on a 10/22, or they'd buy the lookalike and not care if it didn't work too well. Once you get to a level of serious use of equipment, you can appreciate the level of quality that goes into some of it. You will also avoid the products that cost way more than they should when the quality simply isn't there. Having said all of that, the most expensive glass sitting on my .50bmg costs $500 and that's because I cannot afford better yet. I am quite aware that I am up against the limits of what I can do with that glass. |
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YOU MIGHT BE AN ENGINEERING MAJOR IF... ... you have no life - and can prove it mathematically ... you enjoy pain ... you know vector calculus but you can't remember how to do long division ... you chuckle whenever someone says "centrifugal force" ... you've actually used every single function on your graphing calculator ... when you look in the mirror, you see an engineering major ... it is sunny and 70 degrees outside and you are on a computer ... you frequently whistle the theme to "MacGyver" ... you always do homework on Friday nights ... you know how to integrate a chicken and take a derivative of water ... you think in "math" ... you've calculated that the World Series actually diverges ... you hesitate to look at something because you don't want to break down its wave function ... you know the right hand rule ... you need to make sure everyone knows that you think NcStar is a piece of SHIT.... That MacGuyver tune is catchy though! 
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I look at it this way; The mortgage, insurance, food, time spent at work etc. are all costs I pay to have some leisure time to do what I enjoy, so I want good equipment to really enjoy that time. When I ammortize the cost of good equipment against the other costs, even the top of the line stuff windes up being a small percentage of the total cost of the leisure time.
"The bitterness of poor quality lingers on long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten'
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