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Posted: 6/12/2009 6:49:17 PM EDT
| After I get my benelli M3 paid off I Think I will get a .50cal bolt rifle any recommendations and yes price is a factor . |
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Model: AR-50A1
Caliber: .50 BMG Barrel: 30" Chrome moly, 8 Groove Rifling Twist: RH 1:15" Muzzle Device: Highly Efficient Multi-Flute Recoil Check, Very Moderate Felt Recoil. Upper Receiver: Modified Octagonal Form, Grilled & Slotted for Mil STD Scope Rail with Boss to Engage Cross-Slot on Receiver Bolt: Triple Front Locking Lug Ejector: Spring Loaded Plunger, Automatic Ejection Extractor: Sako Type Trigger: Shilen Standard Single Stage, Approximate 5 lbs Pull Stock: 3 Section Stock: Extruded Forend, Machined Grip with Vertical Grip, Forged and Machined Removable Buttstock Buttplate: Vertically Adjustable, Specially Built for Heavy Calibers Overall Length: 59.5" Without Buttstock: 49 3/4 inches Weight: 33.2 lbs Finish: Hard Anodized Aluminum, Manganese Phosphated Steel Accuracy: 7" - 8" @ 1000 yds Included with Rifle: 15 Minute Sight Base, Owners Manual, Ear Plugs, Limited Lifetime Warranty Must have .and free ear plugs to boot . |
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Oops!! Forgot to mention that the overall package on the LAR Grizzly is pretty short ––- something like 44" or 45". Some of the .50 BMG rifles are pretty darn long!  Is the weight about the same as the AR50 ? That fucker is heavy and for the price would it make sense to get a Barret ? |
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Depends upon your mission for the gun and how much you wanna spend.
If you want a custom built accurate gun and like the shellholder design and the money savings and strength that go with it, get a State Arms. If you want an off the shelf bolt gun that is reliable and accurate but you really don't need portability, get an Armalite AR-50. If you want an off the shelf bolt gun that is reliable, accurate, and more portable than an AR-50 or State Arms, get a Barrett M99 w/ 32" barrel. If you want an upper receiver type gun that is accurate and reliable, go for a Ferret50 or ALS (but the ALS will take 2+ years to get). All depends upon your pocketbook and mission for the gun. Remember the gun is only one facet of the cost. Figure $1000-$1600 on a scope, at least $600 to START reloading tools, and a minimum of $500 worth of reloading components. OR plan to spend $3-$7/round depending upon how much accuracy you want. -David Edgewood, NM |
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good points .I want to kill gallon milk jugs at 500-1000 yds not that i can see that far . the scope could come later i have a trijicon TR21 that will work for short term .Well i think it might work recoil maybe to much .
I used to cringe at the thought of paying $4 a round until 308win match ammo hit $1.50 |
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Oops!! Forgot to mention that the overall package on the LAR Grizzly is pretty short ––- something like 44" or 45". Some of the .50 BMG rifles are pretty darn long! Is the weight about the same as the AR50 ? That fucker is heavy and for the price would it make sense to get a Barret ? Yes... the weight of the LAR Grizzly is approximately 31 pounds –––– without scope/rings. Can't give you any info on any of the Barretts. I know that they are great rifles, but I've never handled/shot/owned one. I went with the LAR Grizzly for several reasons –––– the price was right, the rifle is "left hand" freindly, the overall package isn't any longer than a standard 22" barreled M1A, it has a big fat (1-1/2" diameter) barrel that is 36" long and it was available with a Match chamber. But.... I have no idea how well I'm going to like it at the range. I've had it for 3 years and have yet to shoot it!! 
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Oops!! Forgot to mention that the overall package on the LAR Grizzly is pretty short ––- something like 44" or 45". Some of the .50 BMG rifles are pretty darn long! Is the weight about the same as the AR50 ? That fucker is heavy and for the price would it make sense to get a Barret ? Yes... the weight of the LAR Grizzly is approximately 31 pounds –––– without scope/rings. Can't give you any info on any of the Barretts. I know that they are great rifles, but I've never handled/shot/owned one. I went with the LAR Grizzly for several reasons –––– the price was right, the rifle is "left hand" freindly, the overall package isn't any longer than a standard 22" barreled M1A, it has a big fat (1-1/2" diameter) barrel that is 36" long and it was available with a Match chamber. But.... I have no idea how well I'm going to like it at the range. I've had it for 3 years and have yet to shoot it!!
What ? how is that possible ! |
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So... hotbiggun42, it looks like we're BOTH in the "newbie" class on the .50 BMG. But, as was mentioned before in this thread, you've got to consider a LOT of other equipment/costs into the .50 BMG formula.
I picked what I thought to be a good, basic, high-quality single-shot platform for my shooting needs. [And, even though I haven't shot the gun, I'm convinced I made a good choice.] I have recently settled on putting a Leupold VX-III 6.5-20 Long Range scope on the rifle. Hey.... you've got to add good/decent quality optics into your .50 BMG rifle equation! I bought a single-stage reloading press, dies, priming system and case trimmer specifically for .50 BMG. Never mind the fact that I'd been handloading/reloading ammo for centerfire handguns and rifles for almost 2 decades ––- NONE of that stuff would work for loading .50 BMG! Then comes the price of the reloading components –––– NOTHING for the .50 BMG is cheap. Gotta have cases and primers, powders, bullets SPECIFIC to the .50 BMG. I'm just saying ........... it all adds up!! Without even firing a shot, my .50 BMG project is up to somewhere around $4K ––- and I did it CHEAPLY! |
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So... hotbiggun42, it looks like we're BOTH in the "newbie" class on the .50 BMG. But, as was mentioned before in this thread, you've got to consider a LOT of other equipment/costs into the .50 BMG formula. I picked what I thought to be a good, basic, high-quality single-shot platform for my shooting needs. [And, even though I haven't shot the gun, I'm convinced I made a good choice.] I have recently settled on putting a Leupold VX-III 6.5-20 Long Range scope on the rifle. Hey.... you've got to add good/decent quality optics into your .50 BMG rifle equation! I bought a single-stage reloading press, dies, priming system and case trimmer specifically for .50 BMG. Never mind the fact that I'd been handloading/reloading ammo for centerfire handguns and rifles for almost 2 decades ––- NONE of that stuff would work for loading .50 BMG! Then comes the price of the reloading components –––– NOTHING for the .50 BMG is cheap. Gotta have cases and primers, powders, bullets SPECIFIC to the .50 BMG. I'm just saying ........... it all adds up!! Without even firing a shot, my .50 BMG project is up to somewhere around $4K ––- and I did it CHEAPLY! I hear ya but i am in no hurry i can buy add ons as money permits . I'll buy the rifle and throw an EOTEC on it if i have to. and .50BMG Ammo seems to be pleantiful around here . |
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Will add on to what David said.
Depending on what style of shooting you plan to do with your 50. For example, if you prefer to shoot standing or plan to go hunting, then by all means get the lightest rifle of the make you like. Also note that because you will be standing, a light rifles recoil can be adsorbed by the whole body rocking back. While on the other hand if you plan to do bench shooting or laying on the ground and shooting. I will suggest you get a heavy rifle. In the case of bench shooting, only your upper half of your body will take the recoil. And laying down shooting, your whole body will absorb the recoil. The heavier the rifle, the less recoil. I myself do all of my shooting from a bench (to much gut to find shooting prone to be desirable). And I bought a Ferret 50 with 36" tube. I also took a 20 round magazine and filled it with lead (abt 2.5lbs) and also made a wedge shaped lead weight to go into the tool box of a A2 stock (again about 2.5lbs). Totally dressed out rifle weighs about 32lbs. So without the weights it would be about 27 lbs. I believe that the 5 extra pounds help tame the recoil of the rifle. Again it is all about how you plan to shoot the rifle. BTW I know a big guy that is all muscle thought that he would want to try shooting my rifle standing. After a few minutes he decided that the 36" tube with muzzle break was to much to try to hold out in front of him and he gave up the idea of standing up and shooting. Even with the two weights counter balancing the front end. Max P.S. all of the other advice is good also. One last tidbit. Get a good scope that has a no questions asked warranty. Scopes like S.S. or Nightforce come to mind. Even N.F. has been known to break, but all have said that N.F. warranty people were good to work with. |
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Nemesis 50. The only way to go. Nah, go ahead and get what I have, a Barrett M107. 
http://www.50magnum.com/m107a.jpg Very nice but out of my price range ! |
| To provide you with another option, check out Bohica Arms. they've got single shot bolt uppers from $1300 to $1700, 16.5, 24, 30, and 36 in barrels.My 30 in. on a Superior lower with a Jard adjustable trigger(excellent 3.0 lb with 0 creep) shoots great. Mine took 6 weeks to get but my brother ordered on 5-11-09 and it shipped the next week. About the lowest cost way to get into a very expensive sport. |
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I looked around for a bit and decided on this. It has enough accuracy to shoot better than I can, 10 rounds of .50 goodness, a good company behind it, and sexy looks that go quite a way for me. It'll be here Friday or Saturday and I can't stop thinking about it.
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I went round and round with trying to decide on what I wanted. Looked at the State Arms, Serbu, Bohica, Ferret50, ALS, etc... All are probably good guns and will do what you are after. I personally settled on the Ferret50. It really came down to delivery time and I couldn't find a negative thing said about them. This will not be a shoulder fired gun. For that, I'd look at the State Arms Shorty or another option. I discounted the Bohica at the time due to their apparent delays however it appears they may have gotten caught up now and are giving more accurate delivery times. The ALS was a top contender but I didn't want to wait 1-2 years to get it given our current political climate. All that being said, one of the main reasons I went with the Ferret was Dave Moore (owner of Spider Firearms, maker of the Ferret) was extremely helpful in helping me through all the choices etc... He was responsive on email and returning calls whereas some of the others I never heard from. That was the straw that tipped the scales for me. Plus I like the look of the Ferret :). At the end of the day, any of the rifles you are looking at will be able to shoot water jugs at 500-1000 so it really comes down to price and service. Personally I think most of the guns I was looking at will shoot more accurate than I can!
Cheers, cc PS. Forgot to add, many of the makers out there give significant discounts on their offerings if you are a member of FCSA.ORG As an example, I got $100 off my Ferret upper after spending the $50 membership fee for FCSA. Plus there's a whole lotta helpful information there. It get's pretty technical/serious at times but it is helpful. |
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To provide you with another option, check out Bohica Arms. they've got single shot bolt uppers from $1300 to $1700, 16.5, 24, 30, and 36 in barrels.My 30 in. on a Superior lower with a Jard adjustable trigger(excellent 3.0 lb with 0 creep) shoots great. Mine took 6 weeks to get but my brother ordered on 5-11-09 and it shipped the next week. About the lowest cost way to get into a very expensive sport. Any issues ? the price is right ,and looks cool . One thing for sure I need to research before i choose .I didnt realize there were so many different manufacturers of the 50BMG . |
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To provide you with another option, check out Bohica Arms. they've got single shot bolt uppers from $1300 to $1700, 16.5, 24, 30, and 36 in barrels.My 30 in. on a Superior lower with a Jard adjustable trigger(excellent 3.0 lb with 0 creep) shoots great. Mine took 6 weeks to get but my brother ordered on 5-11-09 and it shipped the next week. About the lowest cost way to get into a very expensive sport. Any issues ? the price is right ,and looks cool . One thing for sure I need to research before i choose .I didnt realize there were so many different manufacturers of the 50BMG . They're a budget upper. You get what you pay for. -David Edgewood, NM |
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First things first! Get a membership to the FCSA I'm going with the Ferret personally. Make sure you get the right chamber for the ammo you plan to shoot. There's match, M2, and hybrid IIRC. good luck on the eotech [8-] What ? different chambering fo different ammo ? Why and how will you know what ammo will be availcable . The EOTEC was a joke 
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Not all Mfg's offer different chambers. With regards to the Ferret, it appears he offers 4 variations of chamber: Hybrid Match, Competition, Borerider, and Turned Neck. I'm no expert and can't give all the nitty gritty regarding the differences between them but I'm sure if you called him, Dave could. I went with the Hybrid Match chamber as it's designed to accept both match grade ammo as well as military surplus. The others I believe demand that you have very specific ammo. Unless you are buying this for a very specialized purpose (ie. shooting competition only, etc...) then it sounds like the HM chamber would be the best choice.
Cheers, cc |
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this is my understanding so far:
The hybrid match accepts both milsurp and "match" rounds... The borerider - projectiles ride the bore of the rifle (the lands dig in deeper for a better seal) I thought there was an M2 chamber the was for milsurp only and not match rounds but I may not be recalling correctly. |
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