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I have an M249S standard version and would like to get a para stock and barrel for it. The only para barrels I see available are 15.9" long or shorter. Where can I find one that is over 16", like the 16.1" barrel on the M249S para. I am assuming the M249S para muzzle devise is pinned/welded. Everyone I have spoken to with para barrels for sale has said that if I pin and weld the muzzle device it will still be just under 16". Any advice would be appreciated. |
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Originally Posted By ProbableColtAddict: Since these have been around for years now and the cat's out of the bag I can finally say this. When I first bought mine and looked at how it was converted, I couldn't believe the ATF approved the design. Having done some milling and machining overseas on HK guns, I felt the same when I bought an MP5 clone |
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Yep. You will need a spacer with the correct thread pitch for a para barrel. Alternately, you can use the Surefire flash hider with a couple shims and once perm-attached, it will be 16". Para barrels are 9/16-24 LH. https://www.surefire.com/socom-3-prong-flash-hider/ |
“The difference between treason and patriotism is only a matter of dates.”
"And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."
"And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."
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Originally Posted By jtb33: Yep. You will need a spacer with the correct thread pitch for a para barrel. Alternately, you can use the Surefire flash hider with a couple shims and once perm-attached, it will be 16". Para barrels are 9/16-24 LH. https://www.surefire.com/socom-3-prong-flash-hider/ Thank you very much. I will get that flash hider if I can't find a spacer. Any idea where I can find a spacer? |
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There is a guy on Sturmgewehr.com that sells an adapter to bring the length up to 16". His name is g36kinnc. |
“The difference between treason and patriotism is only a matter of dates.”
"And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."
"And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."
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Originally Posted By jtb33: There is a guy on Sturmgewehr.com that sells an adapter to bring the length up to 16". His name is g36kinnc. Thank you. I want to also get a para stock. I am trying to decide between the rotating, telescoping stock (which I can't find in stock anywhere right now) or the collapsible stock that looks like an M4 stock. I would appreciate advice as to which one. |
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The "M4-looking" stock is called the "SAVIT". They are probably the best option between comfort, usability and price. I have several stocks for mine, including the original FN Minimi "para-style" stock (not pictured), the M249 Para, the standard 'clubfoot' stock, the SAVIT and the newer hydraulic 5-position stock. Attached File |
“The difference between treason and patriotism is only a matter of dates.”
"And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."
"And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."
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This is why it's called the Savit stock. Attached File It was developed by the Savit Corporation under the Rapid Fielding Initiative because Army troops requested a collapsible stock that was "like the M4 stock" and adjustable for length. It's a good stock, but it's the heaviest one too. |
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder: This is why it's called the Savit stock. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/13082/Savit_jpg-2958772.JPG It was developed by the Savit Corporation under the Rapid Fielding Initiative because Army troops requested a collapsible stock that was "like the M4 stock" and adjustable for length. It's a good stock, but it's the heaviest one too. Heaviest is an understatement... The thing feels like it weighs like 3-5 pounds!  Para stock is cool to outsiders but it's my least favorite to use. Savit is the way to go!
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Originally Posted By Ehtacs: Heaviest is an understatement... The thing feels like it weighs like 3-5 pounds! Originally Posted By Ehtacs: Heaviest is an understatement... The thing feels like it weighs like 3-5 pounds! Para stock is cool to outsiders but it's my least favorite to use. Savit is the way to go! I just bought one on the EE, but I don't have it yet. I also don't have a regular fixed stock, but they're easy to find used. I'd like to get a MK46 butt plate since it's supposedly more comfortable to shoulder offhand (which I fully believe). Not sure if it's rubber or polymer, but it looks like it'll directly replace a standard butt plate assembly. I cannot find them online anywhere; not even a part number for that individual component. The only other difference in the MK46 stock assembly is that it has an additional sling look forward of the stock (on top). EDIT: I got a MK46 stock. The butt plate is polymer, and it is more comfortable than a standard M249 fixed stock. The sling loop on top is handy too. The Lightweight collapsible buttstock is the best however. NSN 1005-01-576-8901 |
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I haven't tried the Mod 1 stock! I'm curious what your thoughts are. I totally agree that the Savit stock balances well, especially with a para or Mk46 barrel. Don't really notice the weight on my shoulder especially with the barrel shroud Hope we'll be able to buy the furniture on the Mk46 Mod 2 one day! Probably won't make any further changes in the meantime.  |
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Speaking of the newer 5-position stock (I'm still not sure of the technical name for that stock - anyone know?), is that it has two cheek risers that come with it, so if you're using an optic like an Elcan 134a, it is much easier to use. Ironically, it's probably the worst-looking of all the stocks, but it's also probably the most utilitarian, ignoring cost and availability. |
“The difference between treason and patriotism is only a matter of dates.”
"And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."
"And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."
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Originally Posted By jtb33: Speaking of the newer 5-position stock (I'm still not sure of the technical name for that stock - anyone know?) Originally Posted By jtb33: Speaking of the newer 5-position stock (I'm still not sure of the technical name for that stock - anyone know?) It is NSN 1005-01-576-8901 for the M249. The back end (buttstock assembly) is also the same buttstock assembly used on the M240L, starting around the end of 2011 (although the NSN for the whole M240L stock is 1005-01-576-4661). The part number for the complete M249 stock is 13026046, but usually the number on the butt plate assembly (13026033) is what appears in WTS photos. That'll be the same number on either stock, so be sure to check the receiver interface end to know which one you're looking at. Keaper Machine (CAGE code 1HFX2) in Mentor, OH manufactured most of them, but Design West Technologies (CAGE code 3DB52) has also manufactured them (and likely designed the thing, on behalf of US Army Armament Research). The indefinite contracts to produce both stocks (M240L + M249 versions) went out in the same solicitation(s). ...it has two cheek risers that come with it, so if you're using an optic like an Elcan 134a, it is much easier to use. The lower cheek rest is the same height as the Savit stock. Ironically, it's probably the worst-looking of all the stocks, but it's also probably the most utilitarian, ignoring cost and availability. |
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Originally Posted By Ehtacs: Hope we'll be able to buy the furniture on the Mk46 Mod 2 one day! Probably won't make any further changes in the meantime. https://fnamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/FN_MK_46_MOD2_Rotators_1-1200x513.png They've displayed them at SHOT with that stock though, so at least it seems to be in production. MGW doesn't list it though (and they list tons of new FN parts at sky-high prices) so maybe FN only did a limited production run for demo guns? |
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The ridiculous weight of the savit stock is mostly in the steel sleeve that is inside the adjustable stock part itself. Take it off just like you would any adjustable AR stock and put a normal AR stock on it, they fit fine. (The newer exposed aluminum stocks are complete crap other than the adjustable cheek height. The adjustment mechanism is completely retarded, it will either pinch your fingers or snag on gloves and it’s overly complicated) |
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Originally Posted By M4-Pilot: The ridiculous weight of the savit stock is mostly in the steel sleeve that is inside the adjustable stock part itself. Originally Posted By M4-Pilot: The ridiculous weight of the savit stock is mostly in the steel sleeve that is inside the adjustable stock part itself. Wow. Why did they use steel there? Take it off just like you would any adjustable AR stock and put a normal AR stock on it, they fit fine. The adjustment mechanism is farther aft on an AR buttstock than it is on the Savit. Still cool though. Thanks for the tip. Depending on the particular AR stock and LOP required, it can work well. (The newer exposed aluminum stocks are complete crap other than the adjustable cheek height. The adjustment mechanism is completely retarded, it will either pinch your fingers or snag on gloves and it's overly complicated) 
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| The weight in the savit is probably just typical overkill even though the 249 has significantly less recoil than your average AR bc of its weight. If using a normal AR stock, you can saw off an inch or two at the front of the stock and it will collapse further and get another shorter position or two also keep in mind that a normal AR stock gives you more of a chin weld than anything else, but on the lighter guns like the mk46 that can be nice sometimes. |
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Originally Posted By PAESAN: Does anyone make a 300BLK barrel? I think Noveske also made one at one time... |
“The difference between treason and patriotism is only a matter of dates.”
"And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."
"And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."
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Originally Posted By PAESAN: Does anyone make a 300BLK barrel? I have one from Ballistic Research and Machine. I’ve been waiting for a post sample conversion kit to really get it running. It will cycle 30blk subs. Fun. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/12/17/subsonic-300blk-m249/ |
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I’d love to get a 300 Blk barrel to run suppressed but have not found anyone making them. A recent one sold on GB for $2100. Not worth that money IMO. The USGI barrel with the surefire socom brake gets you to 16.1”. The USGI brake came right off no problem. I have all the stocks except the newest weird looking one and the para. I didn’t care for the weight of the Savit but I still like it better than the fixed club stock. I have the next newer one after that (lightweight collapsible stock). I have the higher cheek riser. Savit is for sale if anyone is looking for one. I have the Midwest industries front rail to which I have mounted a LRA F-class bipod. I know that’s not authentic but I wanted more vertical adjustability in the bipod than the oem fixed height bipod. Toying with getting the OOW m240 at some point. I understand they are a pleasure to shoot with a 4 lb trigger. The m249 is a classic and I plan to keep it (bought it a few years back) but the current gen trigger is garbage. |
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Originally Posted By goloud: I have one from Ballistic Research and Machine. I’ve been waiting for a post sample conversion kit to really get it running. It will cycle 30blk subs. Fun. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/12/17/subsonic-300blk-m249/ Originally Posted By goloud: Originally Posted By PAESAN: Does anyone make a 300BLK barrel? I have one from Ballistic Research and Machine. I’ve been waiting for a post sample conversion kit to really get it running. It will cycle 30blk subs. Fun. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/12/17/subsonic-300blk-m249/ Thanks for this. I called this morning — $1200 and an eight-week lead-time. They said that there are some gas issues, though, with their use on semis. ETA: that’s great news about the adjustable gas system. |
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Originally Posted By goloud: I have one from Ballistic Research and Machine. I’ve been waiting for a post sample conversion kit to really get it running. It will cycle 30blk subs. Fun. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/12/17/subsonic-300blk-m249/ Originally Posted By goloud: Originally Posted By PAESAN: Does anyone make a 300BLK barrel? I have one from Ballistic Research and Machine. I’ve been waiting for a post sample conversion kit to really get it running. It will cycle 30blk subs. Fun. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/12/17/subsonic-300blk-m249/ Sweet. Jesus. I didn't know they made them. Noveske did a run a loooong time ago, and I have never seen one come up for sale. According to the Ballistic Research Instagram page they are working on a Mark 2 barrel in 300BO. ETA I called as well and ordered a pair of barrels. Their email is down at the moment. The owner told me the newer barrels will have an adjustable gas system like the '240, so even though the semi 249s have much stronger recoil springs than the full auto open bolt design, the user should be able to tune the gas for reliable cycling. VERY excited about these. |
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“The difference between treason and patriotism is only a matter of dates.”
"And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."
"And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder: Good luck! What’s he asking for it? Para or full-size? Originally Posted By KitBuilder: Originally Posted By withoutremorse42: Wish me luck! What’s he asking for it? Para or full-size? Full size, high 9K range. I've got a six gun offer in right now, including a near mint 1971 Belgian Browning Hi Power, a V Seven Sovereign, and a flamethrower. I'd prefer a para (that's what I carried in 2/75), but just wanna get into one before the opportunity is gone Farthest (white) guy on the right is me 
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Originally Posted By withoutremorse42: Full size, high 9K range. I've got a six gun offer in right now, including a near mint 1971 Belgian Browning Hi Power, a V Seven Sovereign, and a flamethrower. I'd prefer a para (that's what I carried in 2/75), but just wanna get into one before the opportunity is gone Farthest (white) guy on the right is me https://i.imgur.com/qp981Ljl.jpg Edit: If it’s got the pre-recall parts then it might be worth that, just for the improved trigger pull. Pictured here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Pre-recall-M249S-parts-hammer-carrier-pics-/24-552920/ If I were you, I’d sell all those myself, rather than trying to work a trade. You can find used Para parts all over the place, but an issued Para barrel puts it under 16” so you may want to go for the factory Para M249S model since I never seen its lengthened 16” barrel offered individually. Para model is $9,600 now (which is also about $500 less than they were before). https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/845737015084 |
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My gut says that the prices on these will continue to drop, as it's a buyers market in firearms, and $10K semi-auto belt fed rifles aren't going to be hot sellers. When they first came out about a decade ago, towards the end of that run, dealers had to drop them down to $6500 to move the last few - I wish I had gotten mine at that time. Not sure they'll get that low again, but I bet that they drop under $9K before the end of the year. If you want to get one now, there are occasional deals on GB. Standard FDE model, but here's one that's from a reputable seller, penny start with no reserve, and brand new. Currently at $904.00: type Status report message description Access to the specified resource has been forbidden. Apache Tomcat/7.0.68 (Ubuntu) |