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Posted: 9/26/2008 4:28:31 AM EDT
| A local shop has pre-orders for $3,000. Deal or no deal? |
I must have one which store is this so I can send my moneys away?
I'm with this guy. I was originally planning on getting the scarl+aug a3 when they were released. Instead, I got a bushmaster ba50, and decided to hold off on the scar+aug combo until a min. of June 09. But if the scar is going to be over $2500, I'll just get the scar and scratch the aug, replacing it with a bunch of ammo.. |
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yeah, he wants to make a lot of profit over this thing. 3000 dollars is not what FN will be selling a half plastic rifle.... Don't get me wrong, its an awesome rifle, plastic lower from all the pics... which isn't a bad thing. if special forces uses it, must be a good thing. (just talking cost, its not like a special alloy with gold in it) |
He is lying. My PD has two on order and we haven't "officially" been told a price yet. He is ripping you off. Is he a stocking dealer? If he is, he will have a TON of FN stuff in the shop, as they are required to carry a little of everything. Don't fall for it. |
AFAIK a little later than that. If FN is still on track, I think the first SCAR-L rifles will be released late Q4 2008. I assume late Q4 means November/December. Ken Flood from FNH USA indicated they are still on schedule when last asked. Check out the Q&A Sections at FNForum. |
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The SCAR will not be priced at $3000. The $3000 figure comes from a dealer trying to make a massive profit off the sale. FNH has stated, while the official MSRP has not been released, it will be priced in line with the FS2000. So expect an MSRP around $1800-2000. Anything more than that is pure price gouging on the part of the seller. |
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IMO your local shop is smoking crack. The wildly inflated price speculations would be amusing if so many weren't so willing to jump on the bandwagon and probably end up driving up the eventual retail price for everyone. Damn that free market pricing. I'd rather have a shortage. |
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If we get dealers pricing the SCAR well beyond the MSRP then I say we call for a boycott of those dealers not only with respect to the SCAR, but forever.
I'm serious. I would rank that sort of price gouging with war profiteers and those that take advantage of people during times of natural disasters by charging excessively more for essential goods. Shortage I can accept, but dealer pricing that takes the MSRP and adds a substantial inrease to it is not acceptable. If Senator Obama becomes "President Elect" we'll be facing an AWB very quickly. |
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Shortage I can accept, but dealer pricing that takes the MSRP and adds a substantial increase to it is not acceptable. "Not acceptable" in your socialist paradise, comrade? The dealer will mark up the guns as much as he can without sacrificing a sale. There is a high demand for these guns and they will move at a higher price despite your whining. If you're not willing to pay the price then you must not want it enough. This is the free market. |
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Shortage I can accept, but dealer pricing that takes the MSRP and adds a substantial increase to it is not acceptable. "Not acceptable" in your socialist paradise, comrade? The dealer will mark up the guns as much as he can without sacrificing a sale. There is a high demand for these guns and they will move at a higher price despite your whining. If you're not willing to pay the price then you must not want it enough. This is the free market. I recommend you read an entry college economics book. +1 |
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"Not acceptable" in your socialist paradise, comrade?
The dealer will mark up the guns as much as he can without sacrificing a sale. There is a high demand for these guns and they will move at a higher price despite your whining. If you're not willing to pay the price then you must not want it enough. This is the free market. I recommend you read an entry college economics book. +2 If FNH is only shipping 100 of these rifles this year, and requires that dealers buy a shitload of other FN weapons that are going to languish on the shelves for months, it's pretty fucking reasonable to expect they're going to want to get something more than MSRP for an unobtainable weapon. People are well aware of the fact that there may very well not be many more of them made considering the political situation. Or considered in another light, what's a fair price on a FAMAS? Back when they were imported in, those 100 FAMAS sold for $995 because there was no demand, and no forseeable limit to the supply. Now you'd be lucky to pay $10,000 for one if you could even find someone looking to sell. Supply and demand set the price in a capitalist society...or else you can move to Soviet Russia, where they'll just conscript your ass and give you an AK. |
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The SCAR will not be priced at $3000. The $3000 figure comes from a dealer trying to make a massive profit off the sale. FNH has stated, while the official MSRP has not been released, it will be priced in line with the FS2000. So expect an MSRP around $1800-2000. Anything more than that is pure price gouging on the part of the seller. The SCAR Light is *not* worth $2,000––-during any day of the week. I think that FN is probably doing a little extra gouging themselves to justify this price for that particular weapon system. Do yourselves a favor and just trick yourself out an AR15...2K for that rifle simply is not worth it. |
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The SCAR Light is *not* worth $2,000––-during any day of the week. I think that FN is probably doing a little extra gouging themselves to justify this price for that particular weapon system. Do yourselves a favor and just trick yourself out an AR15...2K for that rifle simply is not worth it. Then you'll be thrilled to know FN has actually set the MSRP near $2700, not $2000. Since they waited for an outcome to the election, no doubt the price has been set that high because Obama won. |
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Shortage I can accept, but dealer pricing that takes the MSRP and adds a substantial increase to it is not acceptable. "Not acceptable" in your socialist paradise, comrade? The dealer will mark up the guns as much as he can without sacrificing a sale. There is a high demand for these guns and they will move at a higher price despite your whining. If you're not willing to pay the price then you must not want it enough. This is the free market. Last time I checked this is a FREE nation. As a Consumer I have the power to decide what I think is acceptable from those that seek my business. That's called capitalism look it up. Adam Smith, The Invisible Hand. I have the freedom to boycott and to call for the boycott of any business whose practice I find unacceptable. That is how capitalism is designed to work so that consumer demand and threats of loss of business will correct poor business behavior so that government intervention is not taken. Or are you suggesting that the First Amendment should be restricted? Are you suggesting that Adam Smith was wrong? That consumers can have no opinion and no effect on the market? If so you need to go back to school and possibly try reading a book this time. I'm sure you're pushing for your good friend Obama to force Americans to purchase from companies that are granted governmnet monopolies. I'm sure you're pushing for restraints on freedom of Speech with your good communist friends. I'd tell you go to hell, but thanks to people like you this whole country is well on its way there now. |
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[+2 If FNH is only shipping 100 of these rifles this year, and requires that dealers buy a shitload of other FN weapons that are going to languish on the shelves for months, it's pretty fucking reasonable to expect they're going to want to get something more than MSRP for an unobtainable weapon. People are well aware of the fact that there may very well not be many more of them made considering the political situation. Or considered in another light, what's a fair price on a FAMAS? Back when they were imported in, those 100 FAMAS sold for $995 because there was no demand, and no forseeable limit to the supply. Now you'd be lucky to pay $10,000 for one if you could even find someone looking to sell. Supply and demand set the price in a capitalist society...or else you can move to Soviet Russia, where they'll just conscript your ass and give you an AK. Unobtainable rifle? First off, where is your citation to confirm that only 100 SCAR rifles will be sold in FY 2009? Second, there is NO Assault Weapons Ban currently before any committee, there is no AWB scheduled for any legislative action, and so to use that as an excuse for raising the price of the rifle lacks any merit. There is no comparison between the FAMAS and the SCAR. The FAMAS is banned by the import restrictions and there were only EVER 100 rifles imported for sale into the US and of those rifles only a few are every available at any given time for purchase. The SCAR will be released by FNH until they can no longer release them. Again at this point there is nothing that will prevent FNH from selling their SCAR rifle until the end of time should they wish. Supply and demand...YES. DEMAND. I have the freedom of speech. I can and will continue to call for people to do business with those that provide goods and services at the lowest price. I will continue to call of the boycott of those business that charge an excessive price and I believe chargning WAY beyond the MSRP for a rifle is excessive. The other FNH rifles the dealer is required to purcahse from FNH are purchased of their own free will. If they do not have the market or the ability to sell those firearms than they should not order the SCAR and attempt to recoup their "assumed" loss from failure to sell the other firearms. If they continue to offer those other FNH firearms for sale even after they've already recouped their investment for them with the sale of the SCAR than I believe that is a poor business practice if those rifles are sold at full value. Now if someone wants to run their business like that it is their right to do so, but I will not purchase anything from them whether it's a $20.00 box of ammunition or a $3,000 rifle. Now if you want to be a sucker and purchase something in a panic and then thank the Dealer for charging you an excessive amount over MSRP then that is your right. However, there is nothing that justifies that and I refuse to be a part of it. |
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There is nothing posted by FNH at their website yet giving out MSRP. I'm not calling Fortier a liar, but I don't know the man on a personal basis. People can misunderstand things or hear things incorrectly as well. I'll give him the assumption of being correct, but I'd like to see something official. |
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There is nothing posted by FNH at their website yet giving out MSRP. I'm not calling Fortier a liar, but I don't know the man on a personal basis. People can misunderstand things or hear things incorrectly as well. I'll give him the assumption of being correct, but I'd like to see something official. Do you know who he is? |
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what's funny is if we exchanged the two letters fn for hk and upped the price by two thousand dollars for just HALF the gun... everyone would buy it. Yup. Hit the nail on the head. A pity the SCAR is so expensive though. I'd really like one, but that is out of my reach. Guess I'll order up another AR lower, and possibly some more mags... |
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I have the freedom to boycott and to call for the boycott of any business whose practice I find unacceptable. That is how capitalism is designed to work so that consumer demand and threats of loss of business will correct poor business behavior so that government intervention is not taken. Or are you suggesting that the First Amendment should be restricted? Are you suggesting that Adam Smith was wrong? That consumers can have no opinion and no effect on the market? If so you need to go back to school and possibly try reading a book this time.
You should really consider cutting back on the caffeine intake. Yes, you have the right to boycott whoever or whatever you want. Great for you. But there's also this concept of using one's freedoms responsibly, rather than slinging around threats like a petulant child. If you want to go boycott any and all companies out there, then go right ahead. It won't matter a damn bit because I guarantee they'll sell their product just fine without you. And ultimately the free market will prove you a dumbass. I'm sure you're pushing for your good friend Obama to force Americans to purchase from companies that are granted governmnet monopolies. I'm sure you're pushing for restraints on freedom of Speech with your good communist friends.
I'd tell you go to hell, but thanks to people like you this whole country is well on its way there now. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, particularly if you're both paranoid and lack fundamental logic skills. Labeling the capitalists in the thread as communist Obama proponents is just plain fucking retarded, and about as bass-ackwards as one can get. The real irony is that it's people like you, who insist on "reasonable profits" and "fair prices for everyone" who are actually advocating socialistic/communistic policies. You've completely and totally missed the whole fucking point of a free market, and instead just make noise because you weren't prepared. I'm not prepared: I don't have nearly enough weapons, magazines, or ammo, and I've got zero disposable income to speak of right now. But I'm not bitching about the fact that prices have gone up, because it's about as pointless as standing on the deck of the Titanic and complaining about the fact that it's cold outside. Second, there is NO Assault Weapons Ban currently before any committee, there is no AWB scheduled for any legislative action, and so to use that as an excuse for raising the price of the rifle lacks any merit.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1022 Current status: still in the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security. Supply and demand...YES. DEMAND. I have the freedom of speech.
Right so far. I can and will continue to call for people to do business with those that provide goods and services at the lowest price.
Fair enough. I will continue to call of the boycott of those business that charge an excessive price and I believe chargning WAY beyond the MSRP for a rifle is excessive.
...annndd then we run into the stupid. Yes, you have the right to call for whatever you want, against whomever you want. Great. But who's to decide what's a fair price, and what's an excessive price? Oh, yeah, I know! The marketplace! What a concept! If it's too expensive, people won't buy it! If someone wants to charge $1,000 for a Hi-Point on Gunbroker, they're free to waste their time and auction fees doing so...but I don't see anyone claiming that we need to boycott them for being idiots. The other FNH rifles the dealer is required to purcahse from FNH are purchased of their own free will.
Err, you're not quite getting this whole "free will" concept. The dealers have the choice between ordering a SCAR (with lots of other stuff), or not ordering one at all. They don't have the option of ordering a SCAR without the other passle of guns. Therefore, strictly speaking, they aren't being purchased of their free will, as without the SCAR dealers likely wouldn't be ordering any of them. Which does bring up a minor side-point, which is the fact that, in my experience, there seem to be two categories of FN products: the popular Hollywood guns that sell for outrageous amounts (5.7, PS90, FS2000, SCAR), and the run-of-the-mill crappy guns that no one really seems to buy (FNPs, PBRs, SLPs). Based on what I've seen, a dealer who orders a SCAR is pretty much committing to letting thousands of dollars of firearms sit on the shelf for months in exchange for one quick sale. what's funny is if we exchanged the two letters fn for hk and upped the price by two thousand dollars for just HALF the gun... everyone would buy it.
Bingo. The whole reason for this sudden FN-hate is the fact that lots of people are pissed off that they can't afford one now due to the (not unexpected) price. Well, so it goes. I'd like have a Solothurn, an M1 Abrams, and a pony. The market does not see fit to provide me with such, so therefore instead of bitching about the price of main battle tanks, I make do without until such a time as I become Governator and can afford to buy all the tanks I want. |
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