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| I'm getting ready to buy one for $4k+ and I'm throwing it on a pistol lower with a binary trigger. I don't even have a machine gun lower for it. The FM-9 is unobtainium in the used market and when it pops up it makes scalper prices look reasonable. Yes I'll take one whenever production kicks up. I've been on your notifications list for years. |
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I posted this picture in the Maxim Defense RDB thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Maxim-Defense-RDB-review/15-780933/&page=9 BTW...I didn't realize I had a Gen2 topcover myself. I think I must have sent mine back at one time. I'm glad I stumbled across this configuration as I was starting to think I had no good use of the Maxim Defense RDB system. It is hard to charge since you have to overcome the mechanical resistance of the delay and in my experience it does NOT suppress well at all. However, the FM-9 is a different animal. The FM9 cycles slower than other 9mm uppers because (I think) of the additional energy required to pull the belt. That equates to a longer dwell time. So while the Maxim RDB didn't suppress well on two different straight blowback setups I have, it suppressed great with the FM-9. The additional force required to charge the action is still there but for a belt fed, who cares.  |
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Originally Posted By NEY117: I'm getting ready to buy one for $4k+ and I'm throwing it on a pistol lower with a binary trigger. I don't even have a machine gun lower for it. The FM-9 is unobtainium in the used market and when it pops up it makes scalper prices look reasonable. Yes I'll take one whenever production kicks up. I've been on your notifications list for years. You won the gunbroker auction for the Elite model? |
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Originally Posted By amphibian: However, the FM-9 is a different animal. The FM9 cycles slower than other 9mm uppers because (I think) of the additional energy required to pull the belt. You are correct, the recoil is reduced because of the energy being absorbed by all the mechanics of being a belt fed with a pistol caliber. Its the same reason why you can't hang belt to the floor like Rambo lol. Because of that I am confused on the need for the delayed blowback system, did you just do it because you could or? |
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Originally Posted By 9mmBeltfed: I am confused on the need for the delayed blowback system, did you just do it because you could or? ETA: When you guys first announced coming out with a belt fed 9mm upper, the first thought I had in my head was I hope they made it delayed blowback. A straight blowback 9mm M16 recoil impulse sucks compared to something like an MP5. Today you have several companies making delayed blowback setups trying to obtain the smoothness of the MP5 in the AR platform: CMMG Radially Delayed Blowback JP's JP-5 which even shares some HK MP5 parts compatibility but is NOT full auto compatible - also proprietary upper and lower receiver length so AR like but must buy complete gun Maxim Defense's buffer system MEAN Arms Bearing Delay So the desire and market is there. The Maxim Defense setup is nice in that it is drop in but sucks that it has no mechanism to get around the mechanical disadvantage when charging and as mentioned in the Maxim thread, IMHO, it sucks when used with a suppressor but suppresses fine with the FM9. This brings more smoothness to the FM9 while still keeping a nice cyclic rate. |
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I wanted one till I couldn't get one. Went another direction don't even care now. I just love companies that make something one day then just skip town to never make it again. Reminds me of the aliance armament stuff for the Mac series guns Place a order then get called . Hey we don't make that anymore how about our new upper . Mean while new upper never got off paper or computer screen or what ever and company just POOF gone. lots of them out there over the last 30 years. |
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Originally Posted By Ryo: Amphibian does a lot of testing with his setups and pretty much tunes his stuff to his liking. Pretty impressive. I always imagine it is because he enjoys doing it. The only caliber I don't care about having a fast cyclic rate is 22LR that is where I just care about reliability |
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Originally Posted By OTHP: I wanted one till I couldn't get one. Went another direction don't even care now. I just love companies that make something one day then just skip town to never make it again. Reminds me of the aliance armament stuff for the Mac series guns Place a order then get called . Hey we don't make that anymore how about our new upper . Mean while new upper never got off paper or computer screen or what ever and company just POOF gone. lots of them out there over the last 30 years. We didn't skip town. I have spoke at length about the process and history of the FM-9. The SABRE wasn't the issue it was all the variation that came from the Mac platform and the individual gun smithing needs for each one. Mag Tactical Systems bought Alliance Armament. Mag Tactical went away as a company and with it the SABRE. I worked at Mag Tactical for a short time before the were no longer a company so I am familiar with the SABRE. |
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Originally Posted By amphibian: Lol.... how many will question the need of a belt fed 9mm for that matter? Or need of full auto? Or why you need so many guns? Im just a sales guy not knowledgeable past our products so I am generally asking lol if it improves performance I like to have the insight and you have done a lot with our platform. Just didn't know if there was an need or even a reverse effect since there is a lot of energy being absorbed by the feeding mechanics of the system. I know they have looked in to delayed blowback for our PCC. |
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Originally Posted By 9mmBeltfed: Im just a sales guy not knowledgeable past our products so I am generally asking lol if it improves performance I like to have the insight and you have done a lot with our platform. Just didn't know if there was an need or even a reverse effect since there is a lot of energy being absorbed by the feeding mechanics of the system. I know they have looked in to delayed blowback for our PCC. Originally Posted By 9mmBeltfed: Originally Posted By amphibian: Lol.... how many will question the need of a belt fed 9mm for that matter? Or need of full auto? Or why you need so many guns? Im just a sales guy not knowledgeable past our products so I am generally asking lol if it improves performance I like to have the insight and you have done a lot with our platform. Just didn't know if there was an need or even a reverse effect since there is a lot of energy being absorbed by the feeding mechanics of the system. I know they have looked in to delayed blowback for our PCC. As I mentioned in the post above, there is a market. I just got a MEAN Arms upper that I'm testing right now but I don't think there is a clear winner right now. |
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Originally Posted By amphibian: The FM-9 doesn't 'NEED' delayed blowback. It is just a nice to have. Would love to see you guys do a delayed blowback PCC. As I mentioned in the post above, there is a market. I just got a MEAN Arms upper that I'm testing right now but I don't think there is a clear winner right now. Ill have to ask what happened with what they were working on. |
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Originally Posted By 9mmBeltfed: Yes I am Josh. We don't have any linkers at the moment. About all I have at the moment is if you have any issues I can help you get it running. Comes with a lifetime warranty and we have parts for warranty work. Thank you! It's an amazing product. I just had a newborn, so I haven't had a chance to test run it, however I'm pretty stoked. Any thoughts on the MG42 dress up parts? That's probably down the road because of production of actual units and parts and whatnot, right? |
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Originally Posted By NEY117: Thank you! It's an amazing product. I just had a newborn, so I haven't had a chance to test run it, however I'm pretty stoked. Any thoughts on the MG42 dress up parts? That's probably down the road because of production of actual units and parts and whatnot, right? I don't think we would get in to making accessories to make it look like an MG42. Someone else could though 
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Just found this thread, glad its still active. Josh, I want one so bad I've been trying to design my own! Progress is slow, I'd rather just buy one lol. But if you want design help maybe I could be of assistance to get the ball rolling? And to the guy that wanted an MG-42 dress-up kit: Here's a 3D printable MG style stock I designed to fit an AR rifle buffer tube (full length rifle buffer tube, not carbine length) Hopefully that gets you one step closer. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5210315 |
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Originally Posted By BAD_CAD: Just found this thread, glad its still active. Josh, I want one so bad I've been trying to design my own!https://ibb.co/23cNB74 Progress is slow, I'd rather just buy one lol. But if you want design help maybe I could be of assistance to get the ball rolling? And to the guy that wanted an MG-42 dress-up kit: Here's a 3D printable MG style stock I designed to fit an AR rifle buffer tube (full length rifle buffer tube, not carbine length) Hopefully that gets you one step closer. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5210315 Design help with what? |
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Originally Posted By BAD_CAD: Just found this thread, glad its still active. Josh, I want one so bad I've been trying to design my own!https://ibb.co/23cNB74 Progress is slow, I'd rather just buy one lol. But if you want design help maybe I could be of assistance to get the ball rolling? And to the guy that wanted an MG-42 dress-up kit: Here's a 3D printable MG style stock I designed to fit an AR rifle buffer tube (full length rifle buffer tube, not carbine length) Hopefully that gets you one step closer. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5210315 You are the man! Thank you! Now I need to find the barrel shroud that looks the post they make road signs with. |
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Originally Posted By BAD_CAD: Just found this thread, glad its still active. Josh, I want one so bad I've been trying to design my own!https://ibb.co/23cNB74 Progress is slow, I'd rather just buy one lol. But if you want design help maybe I could be of assistance to get the ball rolling? And to the guy that wanted an MG-42 dress-up kit: Here's a 3D printable MG style stock I designed to fit an AR rifle buffer tube (full length rifle buffer tube, not carbine length) Hopefully that gets you one step closer. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5210315  
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I thought you mentioned something about making design changes before restarting production, maybe I misunderstood. Just trying to help, I really want one of these. Also, as a target consumer, I'd say the minimalist variant is more appealing to me than the elite version. I think the barrel change isn't necessary in 9mm and the lower price is easier to swallow. |
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Originally Posted By BAD_CAD: I thought you mentioned something about making design changes before restarting production, maybe I misunderstood. Just trying to help, I really want one of these. Also, as a target consumer, I'd say the minimalist variant is more appealing to me than the elite version. I think the barrel change isn't necessary in 9mm and the lower price is easier to swallow. I appreciate the offer the design changes, that's not what is holding up production. |
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Originally Posted By 9mmBeltfed: If you're not on our beltfed waiting list get signed up on our website. We are about to send out a survey(s) to get feedback for the future direction of this project. I've been on at list forever.. Very excited to see it move forward |
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| I remember your handle, nice to hear from you again as well. Shoot me an email [email protected] about links |
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Attached File I have an extra one of these linkers. I don’t need two. If anyone is in need PM me. Are you making new linkers? |
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Originally Posted By Civil: Are you making new linkers? Yes we have a 5 round pocket size linker that is currently in production for the first 20 and we also just put in the PO for a million links. Those should be hitting the shop floor in 6-8 weeks. The 20 round linker we previously made takes a lot more force than the new one. The one you have was from someone else I had one of his, its pretty nice. |
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Originally Posted By JoshNC: @9mmbeltfed, any chance you’re going to make rifle caliber beltfed uppers for the AR15? It's been discussed multiple times even when we released the 9mm beltfed the first time but I have no idea if we will that's not in our sights at the moment. We have multiple products we are working on right now so if it did happen it would be a few years down the road. I suspect the 9mm beltfed will keep us pretty busy in addition to our current and future products. |
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Originally Posted By kingschronicles: RDIAS here. It would be really nice if the upper was able to utilize a Cryostructure BFAR lower. Edit: That would make switching between a Fightlite and the 9mm upper a breeze Nope. The FM9 utilizes a mag adapter that has the ejector built into it. The Cryo has no such ejector… 
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Originally Posted By HKPDW: Nope. The FM9 utilizes a mag adapter that has the ejector built into it. The Cryo has no such ejector https://i.imgur.com/Xvtanuk.jpeg I have an AR magwell modified to directly accept the SAW boxes and nutsacks. I also have another AR Magwell with the FM9, magblock with the ejector in it. I leave each magwell connected to each upper so I don't forget it.  |
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Originally Posted By BAD_CAD: @9mmBeltfed Update? Tentative ETA? 1.3 millions links are in process at the manufacturer. New version is in final prototype being worked on daily by multiple people. What was originally a Q4 release date has been changed to asap. Hopefully 2 months or less to get the first ones off the machines. |
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Originally Posted By 9mmBeltfed: 1.3 millions links are in process at the manufacturer. New version is in final prototype being worked on daily by multiple people. What was originally a Q4 release date has been changed to asap. Hopefully 2 months or less to get the first ones off the machines. Thanks for the update. I'm on the waiting list and this is very encouraging news. |
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Originally Posted By BAD_CAD: It's been a month since your last update. What's the latest? Production fixturing is in process. Still looking good for Late October Early November release date. That should put the first 5 production units for testing, photos etc. Mid to late September so everyone can see the final product. |
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