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Posted: 3/20/2015 2:55:25 PM EDT
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Howdy yall.
I wanted to pose a question if you will because I am wondering myself if it makes a lick of difference so here it goes. I am deciding the MG I will be going for is a M-16 just because I am comfortable with the parts and I know the AR very well so it makes it a natural choice for me. Anyways, I am wondering if there is any reliability difference with 3RB versus FA? I heard that the Army got rid of the 3RB on their guns for what ever reason so I am wondering if there truly is a difference with either. Non the less, thank you in advance! PS: Is there a RR that has Semi, Auto, Burst, and Safe marked on it and can do all 4 if you will? |
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If you want to use a 4 way kit in your RR M16 use the Colt Enhanced 4 way kit. However for you to use this one with out modifying the selector switch you will need a lower that doe snot have the safety stops on the receiver. However you can modify the switch easily to clear the stops.
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Everyone I have talked to has not liked them. Burst on the M16 is not reliable, if you do not shoot all 3 rd, ie u let off the trigger early and fire 2 rds the next burst will be just 1 shot. As for the 4 position kit it's annoying to move the trigger 180 deg and 270 def to the final position is like impossible. Also you need a RR with milled down stoppers to use the 4 position kit, not something many ppl do on a $15-30k Firearm. Never seen a RR marked with 4 position either as its a aftermarket kit.
With that being said I have no difficulty getting 3 rd groups from my full auto m16. I use a giessele SSF and a quick pull of the trigger is almost alway a perfect 3 rd burst and I have only shot mine a few times, it's that easy. |
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I only use burst on guns with a high rate of fire, such as my 22lr M16, which runs at 1500rpm or more, and my 9mm M16 which runs over 1000rpm. With those rates of fire, I find 3RB useful and fun, so the lowers that are normally used with those uppers have 4-pos fire control groups installed, while most of the rest of my collection just uses full auto groups.
I do have an M16A2 clone I keep with a 0-1-3 group, to have it around for MG rentals. If you only have one RR, you probably won't use a burst or 4-pos group with it very much, if at all. |
| I have to use burst guns at work, but at home my M-16 has a Safe, Semi, Auto FCG. Pulling singles, or doubles just takes a bit of practice and the trigger pull is worlds better than a burst FCG. I appreciate the Burst mechanism on my HK's, but the M-16's burst is crude and poorly executed. |
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Quoted: Everyone I have talked to has not liked them. Burst on the M16 is not reliable, if you do not shoot all 3 rd, ie u let off the trigger early and fire 2 rds the next burst will be just 1 shot. As for the 4 position kit it's annoying to move the trigger 180 deg and 270 def to the final position is like impossible. Also you need a RR with milled down stoppers to use the 4 position kit, not something many ppl do on a $15-30k Firearm. Never seen a RR marked with 4 position either as its a aftermarket kit. With that being said I have no difficulty getting 3 rd groups from my full auto m16. I use a giessele SSF and a quick pull of the trigger is almost alway a perfect 3 rd burst and I have only shot mine a few times, it's that easy. EDITED 25 times trying to get youtube embeded     |
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I have a burst kit for my M16 and use It when I have new shooters trying it out, never had an issue with it, been very reliable, and yep, with a bit of practice, you really don't need it I just load my mags with 3 rounds as it keeps them from getting trigger happy plus saves me some money. For some reason new shooters don't realize how expensive ammo is and think mag dumps are the coolest thing since sliced bread. |
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I just load my mags with 3 rounds as it keeps them from getting trigger happy plus saves me some money. For some reason new shooters don't realize how expensive ammo is and think mag dumps are the coolest thing since sliced bread. "I own a machinegun" "Mag dumps are silly" 
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| I never liked the burst selection on the M4. I never had any reliability issues with it what so ever, but 99% of the time if I was shooting, the weapon was on semi anyway, for sake of accuracy. If you need to lay down suppressive fire full auto would be where its at, but you better be carrying plenty of mags. |
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I just load my mags with 3 rounds as it keeps them from getting trigger happy plus saves me some money. For some reason new shooters don't realize how expensive ammo is and think mag dumps are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Quoted:
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I have a burst kit for my M16 and use It when I have new shooters trying it out, never had an issue with it, been very reliable, and yep, with a bit of practice, you really don't need it I just load my mags with 3 rounds as it keeps them from getting trigger happy plus saves me some money. For some reason new shooters don't realize how expensive ammo is and think mag dumps are the coolest thing since sliced bread. I would probably never own a machine gun if fellow gun owners had only given me 3 rounds in a mag. Thats just freakin mean, man. All my new machine gun shooters get full 30 rounds or more.....you only live once and I get more enjoyment watching other people shoot them than me now. |
| I was taught about the danger of the mag dump when you have inexperienced shooters the scary way. I used to have a '28A1 Thompson and worked with a guy who owned an M2 carbine and a M11/9. I figured he knew how to shoot full auto - WRONG. We went to an indoor range and, because it was a Thompson, he insisted on doing a drum dump with the whole 50 rounds. Half way through he was up into the ceiling and never did get off the trigger. Luckily, he let it ride to the right as well as up, so the target cable didn't get cut. It was an old range so the owner didn't notice the new set of scars in the ceiling. |
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I had the opposite experience from you guys I guess. I was out with my friends and his 10-year-old nephew was having a blast shooting all the different guns (as usual). He had never shot full auto before, so I let him try my MP5 with a full mag. Of course before we started filming the Kodak moment, we went over the weapon's operation, stance, and advised it was better to fire controlled bursts than trying to hose down, due to the increasing recoil. He was good-to-go. His uncle was right behind him in case he had an issue, but there was none. As you can see, he had no problems firing consistent 3 round bursts throughout the mag. These were his first shots with the selector in auto after maybe 5 rounds semi-auto familiarization. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-CSG5qqIzg When I let people borrow my autos, I give them at least 20 rounds. If they brought their own ammo and it's safe, hey cool, load it up... I have to clean it anyway.  |
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I would probably never own a machine gun if fellow gun owners had only given me 3 rounds in a mag. Thats just freakin mean, man. All my new machine gun shooters get full 30 rounds or more.....you only live once and I get more enjoyment watching other people shoot them than me now. Quoted:
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I have a burst kit for my M16 and use It when I have new shooters trying it out, never had an issue with it, been very reliable, and yep, with a bit of practice, you really don't need it I just load my mags with 3 rounds as it keeps them from getting trigger happy plus saves me some money. For some reason new shooters don't realize how expensive ammo is and think mag dumps are the coolest thing since sliced bread. I would probably never own a machine gun if fellow gun owners had only given me 3 rounds in a mag. Thats just freakin mean, man. All my new machine gun shooters get full 30 rounds or more.....you only live once and I get more enjoyment watching other people shoot them than me now. If it's family or friends and I know they're skill level I will load more but when the random guy in the lane next to me asks to shoot my m16 he gets a mag with 3rds, maybe 5 if I'm in a good mood. It's enough to say you fired a machine gun but keeps it safe and keeps me from going broke. |
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As Spartikis said with a Giessele SSF FCG a three round burst is simple. A short trigger pull is a easy 3rb, see video below https://youtu.be/UDYX2Fa_nwE EDITED 25 times trying to get youtube embeded
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Everyone I have talked to has not liked them. Burst on the M16 is not reliable, if you do not shoot all 3 rd, ie u let off the trigger early and fire 2 rds the next burst will be just 1 shot. As for the 4 position kit it's annoying to move the trigger 180 deg and 270 def to the final position is like impossible. Also you need a RR with milled down stoppers to use the 4 position kit, not something many ppl do on a $15-30k Firearm. Never seen a RR marked with 4 position either as its a aftermarket kit. With that being said I have no difficulty getting 3 rd groups from my full auto m16. I use a giessele SSF and a quick pull of the trigger is almost alway a perfect 3 rd burst and I have only shot mine a few times, it's that easy. https://youtu.be/UDYX2Fa_nwE EDITED 25 times trying to get youtube embeded
The trick to embedding youtube videos is to make sure the URL you enter in the popup window begins with http and not https, and use youtube.com not youtu.be 
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