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Posted: 3/14/2010 2:49:19 PM EDT
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OK I was cruising the Bower's Board and ran across a "milled OLY/SGW M16" .. the pictures made my butt tighten just from looking at them as they look like some homeade receiver that was restamped.
I'm NOT a fan of OLY and dont' know all that much about how crude they were in their early days so here is some pictures: 
was this typical of OLY back in the day??  this screams bad ju-ju to me 
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OK I was cruising the Bower's Board and ran across a "milled OLY/SGW M16" .. the pictures made my butt tighten just from looking at them as they look like some homeade receiver that was restamped. I'm NOT a fan of OLY and dont' know all that much about how crude they were in their early days so here is some pictures: http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/upload/nfafirearms.16671.2.jpg http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/upload/nfafirearms.16671.1.jpg http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/upload/nfafirearms.16671.3.jpg http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/upload/nfafirearms.16671.4.jpg http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/upload/nfafirearms.16671.5.jpg was this typical of OLY back in the day?? this screams bad ju-ju to me Bad JuJu indeed. I happen to own a Palmetto Arms AR-15, which was one of the earlier milled lowers that Oly made and then resold to Palmetto to turn into a rifle, The lower I have looks nothing like this. This looks like a home job, just look at the rear pin hole, It looks horrendous, Olympic's milled lowers are much, much cleaner. I'll post pics if y'all want to compare my Palmetto to this piece of junk. |
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my very first thought was that someone blew up a lower and made their own to replace it .. the milling marks are horrendous .. plus NO SGW stopsign
the guy wants $10k .. and I wouldn't touch it with a 10 ft cattle prod. ETA: Here is a LINK to the Subguns.com ad |
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Here is a picture of what a palmetto lower looks like...the one this guy is trying to pawn off as a milled lower is obviously a poor quality fake.
ETA: Not my lower, just one I found on the web...but you can tell, the difference between this one and the conversion being sold. |
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several manufacturers made milled M16's back in the day, and the ones i've seen range from "looks OK" to "looks like crap". i wouldn't bet against that being a factory gun based on looks alone. remember, machining 30 years ago wasn't what it is today, especially when these guns were "disposable"... |
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From the pictures the SN is 8664, looks like it was one of the last milled receivers the produced.
From Olympic Arms website: What does my serial number mean? SN Range: 1000 to 8845 1st Date: 03/14/79 End Date: 06/04/82 Special Notes: Cut from aluminum bar stock. Most were made for other manufacturers such as Palmetto Armory. |
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From the pictures the SN is 8664, looks like it was one of the last milled receivers the produced. From Olympic Arms website: What does my serial number mean? SN Range: 1000 to 8845 1st Date: 03/14/79 End Date: 06/04/82 Special Notes: Cut from aluminum bar stock. Most were made for other manufacturers such as Palmetto Armory. No way... so if I sat down with a dremel tool I could make an AR15?! <heads to eBay to look at aluminum bar stock with dreams of beating dremel tool fluting in hilarity> ETA: If that is indeed cut from bar stock, that's pretty cool. I'd also rather spend my $10k on a "nicer" model, but as a piece of history it is indeed neat. |
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No way... so if I sat down with a dremel tool I could make an AR15?! <heads to eBay to look at aluminum bar stock with dreams of beating dremel tool fluting in hilarity> ETA: If that is indeed cut from bar stock, that's pretty cool. I'd also rather spend my $10k on a "nicer" model, but as a piece of history it is indeed neat. Over in the AR-15 build it yourself sections someone actually did do that using a 80% forging LOL, read link below. Has anyone finished an 80% receiver with a dremel? PICS ON PAGE 2 - VICTORY IS MINE !! Also I would like to comment that from the link to the serial numbers, you will notices that not one single lower receiver made by Olympic Arms before the 1986 MG ban was from a cast receiver, they were either forged and milled like colt and others do, or it was the rarer one pictured in the OP. |
| Wow. That's all you can say about that. I really, really would think twice about buying something that looked like that. Holy hell. It might be real, but dang. I wouldn't want to chance it. There are better deals out there. Now if it was $6500, well, then maybe I'd be ok with it. |
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No way... so if I sat down with a dremel tool I could make an AR15?! <heads to eBay to look at aluminum bar stock with dreams of beating dremel tool fluting in hilarity> ETA: If that is indeed cut from bar stock, that's pretty cool. I'd also rather spend my $10k on a "nicer" model, but as a piece of history it is indeed neat. Over in the AR-15 build it yourself sections someone actually did do that using a 80% forging LOL, read link below. Has anyone finished an 80% receiver with a dremel? PICS ON PAGE 2 - VICTORY IS MINE !! Also I would like to comment that from the link to the serial numbers, you will notices that not one single lower receiver made by Olympic Arms before the 1986 MG ban was from a cast receiver, they were either forged and milled like colt and others do, or it was the rarer one pictured in the OP. Thanks for the link, Shermantor. I guess the bufer tube would be a bit of a stretch, but that is indeed cool!! |
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From the pictures the SN is 8664, looks like it was one of the last milled receivers the produced. From Olympic Arms website: What does my serial number mean? SN Range: 1000 to 8845 1st Date: 03/14/79 End Date: 06/04/82 Special Notes: Cut from aluminum bar stock. Most were made for other manufacturers such as Palmetto Armory. Yep...Check out the Palmetto pics I posted up...the lower is much finer from a finish perspective. |
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From the pictures the SN is 8664, looks like it was one of the last milled receivers the produced. From Olympic Arms website: What does my serial number mean? SN Range: 1000 to 8845 1st Date: 03/14/79 End Date: 06/04/82 Special Notes: Cut from aluminum bar stock. Most were made for other manufacturers such as Palmetto Armory. Yep...Check out the Palmetto pics I posted up...the lower is much finer from a finish perspective. what pics? I see where you tried to post .. but nothing came through |
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From the pictures the SN is 8664, looks like it was one of the last milled receivers the produced. From Olympic Arms website: What does my serial number mean? SN Range: 1000 to 8845 1st Date: 03/14/79 End Date: 06/04/82 Special Notes: Cut from aluminum bar stock. Most were made for other manufacturers such as Palmetto Armory. Yep...Check out the Palmetto pics I posted up...the lower is much finer from a finish perspective. what pics? I see where you tried to post .. but nothing came through weird... Lets try this..
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Judging from the pix, and the common machining marks, I would say it's a real original. Yes, it's ugly, but some of that is due to camerawork which amplifies the flaws. Judging solely from the pix, I wouldn't hesitate to tenatively endorse it (I never do absolute endorsements unless I get the lower receiver in my grubby little hands).
But then again, what do I know about M16s? 
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I will never buy an Olympic Arms product. When I used to work for Walt Langendorffer we would install Walt's Rhino device on Olympic Arms Uppers. Everyone of Olympic Arms uppers that they sent us was a complete piece of crap. I don't care how nice their products mite be today I still remember the crap they used to send us.
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I agree but my point was that initially everyone was of the mind that it was a fake then someone stepped up with an alternate opinion and that was the last you hear from the crowd calling 'fake'! Well, it's an uncommon example –– I figure there are somewhere between a couple hundred and at most a thousand milled transferable Olys in the Registry, scattered across the country. You can be involved in NFA for a long time without running into one. OTOH, we all know about the Bubba-schooled home gunsmiths out there ... and that yes, they do stupid stuff like try to replace irreplacable receivers. You have to admit, compared with even the cheapest receivers out there today, it looks pretty crude. 
The OP raised the issue, and got his answer. That's what technical forums are for. 
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OK I was cruising the Bower's Board and ran across a "milled OLY/SGW M16" .. the pictures made my butt tighten just from looking at them as they look like some homeade receiver that was restamped. I'm NOT a fan of OLY and dont' know all that much about how crude they were in their early days so here is some pictures: http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/upload/nfafirearms.16671.2.jpg http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/upload/nfafirearms.16671.1.jpg http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/upload/nfafirearms.16671.3.jpg http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/upload/nfafirearms.16671.4.jpg http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/upload/nfafirearms.16671.5.jpg was this typical of OLY back in the day?? this screams bad ju-ju to me I have an Oly with the same SGW markings on it...Hate to say it, but mine doesn't look much better.  I did have mine sent to Robar for a NP3 coating though. Shoots great!
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Funny how this thread took a huge turn when people stopped and started to think for a minute.... Yeah - but for $10K, you can get a much nicer looking conversion. I just bought a Colt 614 on gunbroker for 10.5K so they're out there. It's a little beat up but not as bad looking as this puppy. The economy has started to drive down machinegun prices. When you don't have a job the gun goes before the house or car. |
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Schuetzen Gun Works was the early precursor to Olympic Arms. They made barrels originally, then made some milled lowers in the early/mid 1980s, but that was pretty limited. Once they got going, they spun the AR production off as Palmetto Armory. Olympic Arms only came along later; the SGW and Palmetto stuff was back in the eighties. This was way before CNC was common, and all those lowers were done manually on milling machines from billet, and all looked pretty rough by today's standards. FWIW, SGW got in trouble with the ATF for re-welding surplussed de-mils and selling them as semi-auto. I saw one at a gun show that was marked M16A1 U.S. NAVY underneath the SGW logo. By the time I got back from the ATM with enough cash, it was gone.  ETA: The SGW Class III would date from well before 1986. Here's a picture of the standard SGW logo:  |
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I just bought a Colt 614 on gunbroker for 10.5K so they're out there. It's a little beat up but not as bad looking as this puppy. The economy has started to drive down machinegun prices. When you don't have a job the gun goes before the house or car. sleepdr's ears just perked up. It's my 10th anniversary this year, and am beginning the campaign for my first NFA toy. Thanks for the useful info. |
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I just bought a Colt 614 on gunbroker for 10.5K so they're out there. It's a little beat up but not as bad looking as this puppy. The economy has started to drive down machinegun prices. When you don't have a job the gun goes before the house or car. sleepdr's ears just perked up. It's my 10th anniversary this year, and am beginning the campaign for my first NFA toy. Thanks for the useful info. Congradulations sleepdr! It's my tenth anniversary May 27th. I hope your year is as good as mines turning out.
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Happy anniversary to you gents!
I may be stretching the gift/toy budget too much, but will keep working on it. She's getting something she said she always wanted. She gets a shiny new piece of metal with shiny rocks inside; an eternity band. I just want a 30-40 year old hunk of black aluminum with a cancelled stamp. Fair enough, right? (Actually, even a nice Tiffany eternity band costs significantly less than a Colt RR. May need to rethink this whole thing)
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Happy anniversary to you gents! I may be stretching the gift/toy budget too much, but will keep working on it. She's getting something she said she always wanted. She gets a shiny new piece of metal with shiny rocks inside; an eternity band. I just want a 30-40 year old hunk of black aluminum with a cancelled stamp. Fair enough, right? (Actually, even a nice Tiffany eternity band costs significantly less than a Colt RR. May need to rethink this whole thing) Here you go http://www.almostdiamonds.com/ |
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Happy anniversary to you gents! I may be stretching the gift/toy budget too much, but will keep working on it. She's getting something she said she always wanted. She gets a shiny new piece of metal with shiny rocks inside; an eternity band. I just want a 30-40 year old hunk of black aluminum with a cancelled stamp. Fair enough, right? (Actually, even a nice Tiffany eternity band costs significantly less than a Colt RR. May need to rethink this whole thing) Check out a site like Brilliance It allows you to buy diamonds wholesale at significant discount, and they have GIA/ESL stones. |
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Happy anniversary to you gents! I may be stretching the gift/toy budget too much, but will keep working on it. She's getting something she said she always wanted. She gets a shiny new piece of metal with shiny rocks inside; an eternity band. I just want a 30-40 year old hunk of black aluminum with a cancelled stamp. Fair enough, right? (Actually, even a nice Tiffany eternity band costs significantly less than a Colt RR. May need to rethink this whole thing) Here you go http://www.almostdiamonds.com/ Do they link to http://www.howtosleeponthecouchfortherestofyourmarriage.com ?
cosmos556, thx for the link. |
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